[asterisk-users] Re: FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLCisarrested at JFK!!

Fri Sep 8 10:12:27 MST 2006

IS running a gambling site illegal in the UK?

If so, perhaps they had a warrant out for him, and we (US) are just going to extradite him.

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  "Dean Collins" <Dean at collins.net.pr> wrote in message news:E67953EA064AB74A8C1BAE87E62A9854077BC1 at cognationsvr1.Cognation.local...
  Exactly so why aren't they trying to arrest the 50 million people in the USA who have gambled online?

  Mark (as far as I know) isn't actively checking with asterisk users for what country they are in so therefore in the reciprocal eyes of the indian government he is similarly breaking the law.

  Basically what the USA government is charging Peter Dicks with is not being a global policeman to enforce a USA law (which the WTO has already ruled is illegal back in March http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3434111 ).

  The USA government can't enforce it's principals on the rest of the world otherwise they are no better than the terrorists who are trying to impose Sharia Law on the world.

  I'm trying terribly not to take this discussion any further Off Topic but realistically we live in a global society and the USA is overstepping it's limits on international trade here. I appreciate this isn't the best forum for it but this has much wider ramifications for those of us who do business internationally in and with the USA.

  Cheers,

  Dean

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  From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Robar
  Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 12:45 PM
  To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
  Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC isarrested at JFK!!

  The guy was arrested because he was conciously allowing US citizens to gamble online, something illegal in the US at this point. He ran a business who's sole profit source came from this illegal activity. Spencer is an entirely different situation. He's not running a business in which he provides VoIP to places where it is illegal. He's running a business the develops software that enables VoIP... There's a big difference there. If someone takes the software and uses it in a place where VoIP is illegal, that does not make Spencer responsible. Think of it along the lines of BitTorrent software. The software isn't illegal - it has valid uses - but it _could_ be used for something illegal. All that means is that the user of the software has commited a crime; Not the developer. 

  Alex

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    From: Dean Collins 
    Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 10:22 AM
    To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion'
    Subject: FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is arrested at JFK!!

    I'm sending this to the asterisk list - consciously knowing it will piss some people off but this is the most important business issue of the day for anyone doing business in or with a US company.

    Oh and before anyone on this list thinks of calling this OT - how about Mark Spencer being arrested while travelling in a country like India or the Middle East that has banned VOIP services (which is still illegal because they cant tax it of course).

    I don't know what you are going to be able to do with this information but this has to be discussed as it affect the future of international commerce when dealing with the USA.

    Best intentions,

    Dean

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    From: Dean Collins 
    Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 10:15 AM
    Subject: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is arrested at JFK!!

    This is bullshit.

    I don't know how to effectively express my outrage over this action by the US government.

    Check out these links for background info;

    www.nytimes.com 
    money.cnn.com 
    today.reuters.co.uk 
    www.businessweek.com

    So basically we have a UK citizen, operating a UK business (sportingbetplc.com board) who the moment he steps foot into the USA is arrested, not for crimes he committed but for crimes committted by US citizens.

    Oh and arrested under ambiguous Louisiana law, that defines all interstate gaming as illegal.

    I cant wait for the chairman of the NY Times to be arrested on a visit to China because chinese citizens were reading copies of the NY Times on the internet.

    Oh and as for visiting 'unfriendly' countries, how about if Castro started shooting american tourists he found in Cuba for 'crimes of treason' in carrying US dollars in their wallets?

    This is insane America. When are you going to wake up and begin to be a good 'world citizen'?

    You cant just arrest people for 'crimes against the state' that dont even occur in your country........isn't that what terrorists do? Impose their will against the world at large.

    I keep hoping I will wake up and the insanity will end? it's like a bad dream.
    It's getting hard to tell who is the bad guys anymore.

    http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/peter-dicks-chairman-of-sportingbet.html

    Dean

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