[asterisk-users] Re: FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of SportingbetPLCisarrested at JFK!!

Fri Sep 8 10:29:03 MST 2006

No it's totally legal. Sportingbet PLC is a legal and registered company
in the USA.

He was arrested in NY for a charge that is going to be extradited and
charged in Louisiana.

Cheers,

Dean

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[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steven
Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 1:12 PM
To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-users] Re: FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of
SportingbetPLCisarrested at JFK!!

IS running a gambling site illegal in the UK?

If so, perhaps they had a warrant out for him, and we (US) are just
going to extradite him.

-- 
-- 
Steven

http://www.glimasoutheast.org

	"Dean Collins" <Dean at collins.net.pr> wrote in message
news:E67953EA064AB74A8C1BAE87E62A9854077BC1 at cognationsvr1.Cognation.loca
l...

	Exactly so why aren't they trying to arrest the 50 million
people in the USA who have gambled online?

	Mark (as far as I know) isn't actively checking with asterisk
users for what country they are in so therefore in the reciprocal eyes
of the indian government he is similarly breaking the law.

	Basically what the USA government is charging Peter Dicks with
is not being a global policeman to enforce a USA law (which the WTO has
already ruled is illegal back in March
http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3434111 ).

	The USA government can't enforce it's principals on the rest of
the world otherwise they are no better than the terrorists who are
trying to impose Sharia Law on the world.

	I'm trying terribly not to take this discussion any further Off
Topic but realistically we live in a global society and the USA is
overstepping it's limits on international trade here. I appreciate this
isn't the best forum for it but this has much wider ramifications for
those of us who do business internationally in and with the USA.

	Cheers,

	Dean

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	From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Alex Robar
	Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 12:45 PM
	To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
	Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of
Sportingbet PLC isarrested at JFK!!

	The guy was arrested because he was conciously allowing US
citizens to gamble online, something illegal in the US at this point. He
ran a business who's sole profit source came from this illegal activity.
Spencer is an entirely different situation. He's not running a business
in which he provides VoIP to places where it is illegal. He's running a
business the develops software that enables VoIP... There's a big
difference there. If someone takes the software and uses it in a place
where VoIP is illegal, that does not make Spencer responsible. Think of
it along the lines of BitTorrent software. The software isn't illegal -
it has valid uses - but it _could_ be used for something illegal. All
that means is that the user of the software has commited a crime; Not
the developer. 

	Alex

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		From: Dean Collins 
		Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 10:22 AM
		To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
Discussion'
		Subject: FW: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is
arrested at JFK!!

		I'm sending this to the asterisk list - consciously
knowing it will piss some people off but this is the most important
business issue of the day for anyone doing business in or with a US
company.

		Oh and before anyone on this list thinks of calling this
OT - how about Mark Spencer being arrested while travelling in a country
like India or the Middle East that has banned VOIP services (which is
still illegal because they cant tax it of course).

		I don't know what you are going to be able to do with
this information but this has to be discussed as it affect the future of
international commerce when dealing with the USA.

		Best intentions,

		Dean

________________________________

		From: Dean Collins 
		Sent: Friday, 8 September 2006 10:15 AM
		Subject: Peter Dicks Chairman of Sportingbet PLC is
arrested at JFK!!

		This is bullshit.

		I don't know how to effectively express my outrage over
this action by the US government.

		Check out these links for background info;

		www.nytimes.com
<http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/technology/08gamble.html?_r=1&oref=sl
ogin>  
		money.cnn.com
<http://money.cnn.com/2006/09/08/news/international/bc.leisure.sportingb
et.reut/?postversion=2006090808>  
		today.reuters.co.uk
<http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&stor
yID=2006-09-07T160138Z_01_N07242747_RTRIDST_0_OUKIN-UK-LEISURE-SPORTINGB
ET-DICKS.XML>  
		www.businessweek.com
<http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8K02SM85.htm?sub=apn_euro
_up&chan=gb> 

		So basically we have a UK citizen, operating a UK
business (sportingbetplc.com board)
<http://www.sportingbetplc.com/pages/15/Our+Board.stm?PHPSESSID=15ba3131
b6035fc855dabdde5c19b246>  who the moment he steps foot into the USA is
arrested, not for crimes he committed but for crimes committted by US
citizens.

		Oh and arrested under ambiguous Louisiana law, that
defines all interstate gaming as illegal.

		I cant wait for the chairman of the NY Times to be
arrested on a visit to China because chinese citizens were reading
copies of the NY Times on the internet.

		Oh and as for visiting 'unfriendly' countries, how about
if Castro started shooting american tourists he found in Cuba for
'crimes of treason' in carrying US dollars in their wallets?

		This is insane America. When are you going to wake up
and begin to be a good 'world citizen'?

		You cant just arrest people for 'crimes against the
state' that dont even occur in your country........isn't that what
terrorists do? Impose their will against the world at large.

		I keep hoping I will wake up and the insanity will end?
it's like a bad dream.
		It's getting hard to tell who is the bad guys anymore.

http://deancollinsblog.blogspot.com/2006/09/peter-dicks-chairman-of-spor
tingbet.html

		Dean

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