[asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth orlive up to expectations.

[Script Head]

That's a good question. When I am talking about a Tier-1 I am assuming that
company that provides VoIP termination can accept a VoIP call and terminate
it directly to a Tier-1 TDM carrier like Level3.


On 2/1/06, Rusty Dekema <rdekema at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please excuse my unfamiliarity with the industry, but what constitutes
> a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier? Are we talking RBOCs/CLECs only? Would (for
> example) Level3 count?
>
> Does the carrier have to terminate the calls via TDM directly from the
> customer-facing VoIP server? Can the carrier pass the calls over their
> own IP network to a different server before putting the call on a TDM
> circuit? (And etc...)
>
> I certainly understand the difference between a "good" and "crappy"
> VoIP outfit; I am just curious as to what exactly is required for a
> company to be considered a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier.
>
> -Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/1/06, Script Head <scripthead at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am in a process of doing exactly that. In fact, last weeks experiences
> > have driven me to talk directy to Tier-1 carriers.
> >
> > The sad part is, even at the point where I was pushing less than 1/2
> million
> > minutes per month, many carriers couldn't handle the traffic. It was
> always
> > something: lack of avaiable bandwith, crashing servers or codecs,
> > downtime... It seem that the majority of "carriers" aren't even prepared
> to
> > handle traffic like that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 2/1/06, Alex Pui <alex.pui at act-labs.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Script Head,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not a "carrier", but I think the question would be, if you are
> buying
> > more volume than most of the "carrier" here, why would you deal with
> them?
> > Just trying to insult them that they are not "quality"provider. I think
> you
> > should deal with tier 1 carrier by yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Or do I miss anything?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > >
> > > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> > Script Head
> > > Sent: February 1, 2006 10:30 AM
> > > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth
> > orlive up to expectations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you're in the business of providing termination services (some at
> > incredibly low prices), please read this.
> > >
> > > I have dealt with many so called carriers over the last couple of
> months,
> > almost all of them are present on this list. I am always clear about my
> > calling patterns and expected volume.  Everyone wants the minutes and
> always
> > say "oh we can take all you can send" and always lie about or
> underestimate
> > your capacity. When I send 50 or more channels, you choke. Some have
> choked
> > at 20 channels, some even less. You might have enough channels committed
> > form your "upstream provider" but you don't have enough bandwidth to
> accept
> > the calls and send them to your upstream. I am almost sure that the
> majority
> > didn't do any scalability testing.
> > >
> > > The points are:
> > >
> > > 1. If you're a reseller of a reseller with a 10+ domestic "carriers"
> > loaded in your LCR, you are not a quality provider.
> > > 2. If you do have Tier-1 upstreams, you shouldn't have a problem
> revealing
> > that information. If you have a problem doing that, you're using
> > bottom-of-the-barrel carriers.
> > > 3. If your entire infrastructure consits on a leased box on Cogent
> > bandwith "burstable to 100 mbit", you're not a qualitity provider.
> Nobody in
> > their right mind will let you burst from 1 mbit to 100 for $59.95 per
> month.
> > > 4. When someone asks you for a commitment of N number of channels, you
> > better damn have them or say straight out you can't do it.
> > >
> > > I think it should be also a normal practice to make iptraf avaiable to
> a
> > potential customer so he can test the amount of bandwidth (and burst)
> you
> > have available.
> > >
> > > ScriptHead
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