[asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth orlive up to expectations.

[Rusty Dekema]

Please excuse my unfamiliarity with the industry, but what constitutes
a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier? Are we talking RBOCs/CLECs only? Would (for
example) Level3 count?

Does the carrier have to terminate the calls via TDM directly from the
customer-facing VoIP server? Can the carrier pass the calls over their
own IP network to a different server before putting the call on a TDM
circuit? (And etc...)

I certainly understand the difference between a "good" and "crappy"
VoIP outfit; I am just curious as to what exactly is required for a
company to be considered a "Tier 1" VoIP carrier.

-Rusty





On 2/1/06, Script Head <scripthead at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am in a process of doing exactly that. In fact, last weeks experiences
> have driven me to talk directy to Tier-1 carriers.
>
> The sad part is, even at the point where I was pushing less than 1/2 million
> minutes per month, many carriers couldn't handle the traffic. It was always
> something: lack of avaiable bandwith, crashing servers or codecs,
> downtime... It seem that the majority of "carriers" aren't even prepared to
> handle traffic like that.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/1/06, Alex Pui <alex.pui at act-labs.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Script Head,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am not a "carrier", but I think the question would be, if you are buying
> more volume than most of the "carrier" here, why would you deal with them?
> Just trying to insult them that they are not "quality"provider. I think you
> should deal with tier 1 carrier by yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > Or do I miss anything?
> >
> >
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
>
> >
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> Script Head
> > Sent: February 1, 2006 10:30 AM
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Rant: Wannabe "carriers" please tell the truth
> orlive up to expectations.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If you're in the business of providing termination services (some at
> incredibly low prices), please read this.
> >
> > I have dealt with many so called carriers over the last couple of months,
> almost all of them are present on this list. I am always clear about my
> calling patterns and expected volume.  Everyone wants the minutes and always
> say "oh we can take all you can send" and always lie about or underestimate
> your capacity. When I send 50 or more channels, you choke. Some have choked
> at 20 channels, some even less. You might have enough channels committed
> form your "upstream provider" but you don't have enough bandwidth to accept
> the calls and send them to your upstream. I am almost sure that the majority
> didn't do any scalability testing.
> >
> > The points are:
> >
> > 1. If you're a reseller of a reseller with a 10+ domestic "carriers"
> loaded in your LCR, you are not a quality provider.
> > 2. If you do have Tier-1 upstreams, you shouldn't have a problem revealing
> that information. If you have a problem doing that, you're using
> bottom-of-the-barrel carriers.
> > 3. If your entire infrastructure consits on a leased box on Cogent
> bandwith "burstable to 100 mbit", you're not a qualitity provider. Nobody in
> their right mind will let you burst from 1 mbit to 100 for $59.95 per month.
> > 4. When someone asks you for a commitment of N number of channels, you
> better damn have them or say straight out you can't do it.
> >
> > I think it should be also a normal practice to make iptraf avaiable to a
> potential customer so he can test the amount of bandwidth (and burst) you
> have available.
> >
> > ScriptHead
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