[Dundi] representation

[Michael Bielicki]

OK, so can I publish my and my cutomers 1866 or not ?


On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:24:22 -0400, Ed Guy <edguy at pulver.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll concede that us toll free numbers now are essentially unique.
> (although people told me of their experiences reaching different
> toll-free subscribers using FWD,  I cannot confirm it and it goes
> against service and location portability policies that went in
> place over the last decade.)
> 
> The DUNDi protocol can assume that any IN routing is beyond its
> scope   and the requirements to achieve such SHOULD be handled by
> the Egress Gateway. (Although, it is not likely at this time.)
> 
> IMHO, +18NN numbers should be published in the e164 trust group.
> However, if your service is such that it requires the call to
> enter the PSTN with certain characteristics, don't locate
> egress gateways for these calls via DUNDi. International
> FWD users are usually thrilled to reach US 800 numbers despite
> the origination point.
> 
> * * * *
> 
> 700 services are not unique; they are carrier-specific
> and used for carrier specific purposes. (e.g., 700/5554141
> should tell you the carrier.) Dundi has the ability to supply
> multiple routes.
> 
> The caller of these e.164 numbers expects something special to happen
> based on the carrier in use.   DUNDI provides routes to
> Services and Egress Gateways,  but does not specify the carrier to use.
> The chosen route will result in a call with their carrier-specific
> behavior.  Like +18NN numbers, if you need a certain behavior,
> don't locate egress gateways for these numbers via DUNDi.
> 
> IMHO, the e.164 trust group/GPA should no preclude listing 700
> numbers, and the caller should be able to choose the
> route that is used.  But, since this might be confusing for the
> current implementation, maybe we should limit the trust group to
> IAXTEL 700 numbers as this would be more useful than none at all.
> 
> 
> 
> /ed
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dundi-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:dundi-bounces at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of Mark Spencer
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:46 PM
> To: Distributed Universal Number Discovery
> Subject: RE: [Dundi] representation
> 
> If the numbers are unique, then we're fine :)  If we can't deliver them,
> then we don't advertise them.
> 
> That just leaves the remaining 1-700 issue.
> 
> Mark
> 
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Bownes, Robert wrote:
> 
> > Please forgive my original US centric answer....This all applies only to
> > the US and other countries in the NANP. The rest of the world handles
> > 0800 numbers differently (of course the US has to be different).
> >
> > There are two separate but related issues:
> >
> >    +1.800 uniqueness
> >    +1.800 routing
> >
> >
> > In the NANP, toll free numbers (aka 800 numbers) are known as non
> > geographic numbers, but geographic routing may still apply (by country),
> > resulting in non routability in the 800 number pool. Interexchange
> > carriers can also play routing games with 800 numbers based on a number
> > of factors, including origin, time, etc.
> >
> > I went and did some research and confirmed that in the past the numbers
> > were unique within a lata, but today, the numbers are unique.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  _____
> >
> > From: Steve Kann [mailto:stevek at stevek.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:11 PM
> > To: Distributed Universal Number Discovery
> > Subject: Re: [Dundi] representation
> >
> >
> > Florian Overkamp wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > Citeren "Bownes, Robert"  <mailto:Robert.Bownes at ogs.state.ny.us>
> > <Robert.Bownes at ogs.state.ny.us>:
> >
> >
> >
> > The problem with 800 numbers is that they are not unique. The same 800
> >
> > number may be routed differently on a LATA or geographic basis. See
> >
> > http://www.nanpa.com/nas/public/nonGeoNpasInServiceReport.do?method=disp
> >
> >
> > layNonGeoNpasInServiceReport for a list of the non geographic numbers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Uhm, I'm not in the US, so correct me if I'm wrong, but in the
> > Netherlands, the least
> >
> > thing you can expect is that a 0800 number belongs to one organisation.
> > Therefore, if
> >
> > this organisation chooses to publish the number through DUNDi, they
> > should never
> >
> > have to expect conflicts with other organisations. They control the
> > route (as they
> >
> > should) and they can decide wether or not to deal with it in a certain
> > way. We can also
> >
> > choose what to do with 0800 numbers called by mobile users. This has two
> > purposes:
> >
> > the cost to accept the call is higher, but also we can route differently
> > based on the
> >
> > fact we have no clue about their whereabouts.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think this is a problem. People disclosing 0800 numbers through
> > the e164
> >
> > context in DUNDi should consider callers coming in on this route as
> > 'roaming'. No
> >
> > assumptions on whereabouts can be made.
> >
> >
> >
> > Or am I missing something here ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes,  if  Robert is correct, what you're missing is that "The problem
> > with 800 numbers is that they are not unique".  So, for example, you
> > could have a number +1 800 234 5678 which goes to one company when
> > called from some US states, but goes to another company when called from
> > other US states.
> >
> > I don't know if that is (still?) correct, but I do remember in the past
> > my family's business needed to have a separate toll-free number for
> > callers in 49 states, and a different number for callers in our home
> > state, and that callers using the wrong one would not get through.
> >
> > I'm not sure if those numbers which were for in-state calls only were
> > assigned to different entities in other states..  It seems pretty insane
> > to do that, but who knows.  5 minutes of googling didn't seem to give me
> > an answer..
> >
> > -SteveK
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Michael Bielicki