[Asterisk-video] MP4Play async Audio / Video

Thomas Frieling thomas.frieling at viif.de
Tue Sep 25 04:17:01 CDT 2007


Hi Sergio!

I understand the problem with variable bitrates. The problem though is
that even videos that were recorded with a 3G handset and mp4save become
asynchronous when played back which is strange since this doesn't happen
on loopback...
That's why I think the "drop queued frames" option would be a nice
thing. 

What do you think?
Thomas F

Am Dienstag, den 25.09.2007, 00:05 +0200 schrieb Sergio Garcia Murillo:
> Hi Thomas, Thomas and Ratmin.. :)
>  
> Back to work form a long abroad weekend (nice Belgium!)
>  
> As Ratmin has stated the Skew indication would help to indicate the
> handset the delay between audio and video.
> It's usually used to correct fixed delays introduced by internal
> jitter buffers and thinks alike. The problem that Thomas
> Z. is suffering seems to be produced by using ffmpeg for video
> encoding (as Thomas without Z points :)
> The problem is the following, ffmpeg is a great VBR (variable bit
> rate) encoder, but I've not been able to behave like a 
> CBR (constant bit rate) encoder. The problem is that it's prepared for
> movies, not for streaming, and defenitevilly not
> at this low bitrates.
> The inner loop of the encoder always tries to encode ALL macroblocks
> in a frame, so in I frames and at a very low
> bitrate it simply just can't get a small amount of data for that frame
> and when it's enqued into h324m it takes more
> than one frame time to send (sometimes even more than a second), the
> following frames are small and sent after
> that until the queue is empty, which causes a fast-forward effect
> on some handsets. As you can imagine adjustime
> audio to that scenary is jus impossible (even with the Skew Indication
> the result would be horrible!!)
>  
> The good solution: use a CBR encoder :)
> The not so good solution: drop packets when the queue is filled, but
> you'll end up dropping all the frames between
> each I frame.. but in that case it would be much better to lower the
> video fps...
>  
> BR
> Sergio
>         ----- Original Message ----- 
>         From: Ramtin Amin 
>         To: Development discussion of video media support in Asterisk 
>         Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 2:01 PM
>         Subject: Re: [Asterisk-video] MP4Play async Audio / Video
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         RTSP has timestamp... so you can usually know how to sync the
>         audio/video
>         But the problem would be more that we'll need to add a Skew
>         Indication concept inside asterisk's core so it could make the
>         message go throught the different channel/application, as it
>         is currently done for VideoFastUpdatePicutre... Which means
>         that currently, if a SIP channel receives a
>         VideoFastUpdatePicture, it is capable of resending it to an
>         other channel...
>         
>          
>         
>         ______________________________________________________________
>         
>         > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:48:54 +0200
>         > From: mobilemail at gmx-topmail.de
>         > To: asterisk-video at lists.digium.com
>         > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-video] MP4Play async Audio / Video
>         > 
>         > Hello Ramin,
>         > hello Thomas.
>         > 
>         > I think both ways are possible. But I don't know if it easy
>         to implement.
>         > Sergio, what do you think about it?
>         > 
>         > Is this also a problem if we stream the audi/video via rtsp?
>         > 
>         > Regrads
>         > Thomas
>         > 
>         > 
>         > Ramtin Amin schrieb:
>         > > hello
>         > > 
>         > > The way I solved this problem was by sending a
>         H223SkewIndication
>         > > message to the other terminal
>         > > Acutally, You will have to ask Sergio to add a H245
>         indication message
>         > > of type h223SkewIndication and when playing the video with
>         mp4play, he
>         > > will have to see the difference of timing between Video
>         and Audio and
>         > > then send this value to the remote terminal so the lip
>         sync would work...
>         > > 
>         > > 
>         > > 
>         > > **
>         > >
>         > > *2.3 Multipoint Lip Synchronization*
>         > >
>         > > In a multipoint VC, each terminal may transmit different
>         > >
>         > > //
>         > >
>         > > /H223SkewIndication /message for associated video and
>         > >
>         > > audio channels in H.223 protocol. To enable lip
>         > >
>         > > synchronization at receiving terminals, MCUs will
>         > >
>         > > transmit accurate /H223SkewIndication /messages. MCUs
>         > >
>         > > may accomplish this by adding delay to equalize the
>         > >
>         > > audio/video skew for all transmitting terminals. When
>         > >
>         > > switching between broadcasting terminals, H.223 may
>         > >
>         > > transmit a new /H223SkewIndication /message reflecting the
>         > >
>         > > audio/video skew of the current broadcaster.
>         > > 
>         > >
>         > > -- 
>         > > Ramtin Amin
>         > >
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > 
>         > >
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>         > >
>         > > > From: thomas.frieling at viif.de
>         > > > To: asterisk-video at lists.digium.com
>         > > > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:48:12 +0200
>         > > > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-video] MP4Play async Audio /
>         Video
>         > > >
>         > > > Hi Thomas Z!
>         > > >
>         > > > I think this problem is due to the bitrate restriction
>         on 3G calls. The
>         > > > audio stream is always sent immediately while the video
>         stream has to
>         > > > use what is left of the bandwidth. This is why videos
>         become synchrous
>         > > > again when the video bitrate is pretty low for a while
>         in the video...
>         > > >
>         > > > Take a look at this discussion:
>         > > >
>         > >
>         http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-video/2007-September/001257.html
>         > > >
>         > > > One solution is to reencode every video with a low
>         bitrate and use a
>         > > > fixed bitrate encoder (ffmpeg is dynamic bitrate for
>         example). I had the
>         > > > impression though that this still doesn't always work,
>         especially when
>         > > > the UMTS connection is not too good...
>         > > >
>         > > > My idea is that we check each time before sending a
>         keyframe if there is
>         > > > already a new keyframe in the queue. If this is the
>         case, we jump to the
>         > > > most recent keyframe and just drop the data before that.
>         > > >
>         > > > What do you think about this? How hard to implement?
>         > > >
>         > > > Regards,
>         > > > Thomas F
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > > Am Montag, den 24.09.2007, 11:15 +0200 schrieb Thomas
>         Z.:
>         > > > > Hello,
>         > > > >
>         > > > > We have the problem, that a converted mp4 file is
>         asynchronous via 3g
>         > > > > network.
>         > > > > If we play the file on a pc, everything is synchron.
>         > > > > We tried already to reduce the quality and framerate
>         of the video. But
>         > > > > nothing helps.
>         > > > >
>         > > > > Is it a problem with mp4play or with the video?
>         > > > >
>         > > > > What can we do to get the audio and video synchronized
>         via 3g network?
>         > > > >
>         > > > > Thank you,
>         > > > > best regards
>         > > > > Thomas
>         > > > >
>         > > > >
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