[asterisk-dev] Mailing List Future

[Luke Escudé]

Personally, I’m surprised mailing lists are still a thing - it feels so “90s” to have an obnoxiously difficult-to-keep-track-of way of communicating when forums are so much more organized and readily available.

It looks like groups.io can work like a forum, so this is a welcome change away from ancient tech.



Luke Escudé

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On Jan 2, 2024, at 08:56, asterisk at phreaknet.org wrote:

On 1/2/2024 5:55 AM, Joshua C. Colp wrote:
On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:41 AM Paul Kudla <paul at scom.ca <mailto:paul at scom.ca>> wrote:


   Good morning

   Note I am unable to confirm my new email on the group because the
   email
   is using a blocked server ??

   mail19       01-02 05:35:51 {postfix.in <http://postfix.in>}
    [63603] (1871410360) Jan 02
   05:35:51 mail19 postfix/smtpd[63603]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from

   web01.groups.io <http://web01.groups.io>[66.175.222.12]: 454 4.7.1
   Service unavailable; Client
   host [66.175.222.12] blocked using

   bl.spamcop.net <http://bl.spamcop.net>; Blocked - see
   https://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?66.175.222.12;

   from=<confirmbounce+8107350+4201506166695547482 at groups.io
   <mailto:confirmbounce%2B8107350%2B4201506166695547482 at groups.io>>
   to=<paul at scom.ca <mailto:paul at scom.ca>> proto=ESMTP

   helo=<mail01.groups.io <http://mail01.groups.io>>

   I did get the signup and also set my password but am unable to
   proceed.

   SPAMCOP.NET <http://SPAMCOP.NET> is super flexible (ie will track
   and update bad ip's on the
   fly within 24 hours, so to land on this list means a server has been
   very very bad.

   let me know if i can help further.


I don't think either of us can really help. Looking at groups.io <http://groups.io> posts this appears to happen sometimes, be it as a remaining result of a Yahoo migration that occurred in the past or from group admins adding email addresses for SpamCop spam traps in some capacity.

InterLinked: You previously stated that most lists you've been on migrated to groups.io <http://groups.io>, has this been a problem for them and if so how did they approach it (if at all)?

I have to be on at least 2 or 3 dozen groups.io lists at this point and I've not really seen this be much of a problem. It haven't seen it on any of my lists with 100+ members or really heard about it on other lists. Occasionally, maybe a couple times a year, there are *bounces* and I know groups.io will auto unsubscribe users if it gets bounces to comply with email subscription policies and what not. I don't have any specific experience with SpamCop, that isn't a service I use on my mail servers.

I think this is going to be inevitable to some extent with any hosted mailing list. groups.io has a pool of IPs that they use but obviously they are shared between lists. Digium has been self-hosting lists so it hasn't had to worry about this in the past.

groups.io also has an online portal where you can register and manage groups, but that probably entails receiving an email at some point so you might run into the same issue there if you can't receive email.

Can you add the sender to your "safe senders" lists? IMO email services that don't allow the spam rules to be overridden are fundamentally flawed, but I realize you may not have control over that or be able to switch services.

It probably doesn't hurt to get in touch with the guy that runs groups.io, here: https://groups.io/helpcenter. I and others have reached out before for things and he's helpful and responsive.

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