[Asterisk-Dev] End of public smear campaign by pimpsoft

[dking at pimpsoft.com]

There is no 'smear campaign by pimpsoft' nor do I have any reason to 
do so.
You have your facts wrong, as I as someone who is trying to help has 
no intention of hurting anything.

I have been a friend of the open source community since the early 
90's; If you want to take someone trying to help by perhaps being 
overly zealous then so be it, but you are forgetting that not only do 
I support free software but as the good doctor aptly put several 
posts ago, I am a populist and as such I and my ideals would only 
benefit if this project took off as it would put pressure on the 
proprietary business model of the telecommunications industry; I have 
no reason what so ever to try to destroy this project and every 
reason to help it as I can in some way.

Unless you can prove otherwise without doubt by anyone I think we 
should all get back on topic, and I will just forget you make that 
gross over dramatic and idiotic statement without any provable 
evidence on your part.


On 29 Jul 2004 at 18:34, Steve Szmidt wrote:

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> 				WAAY OFF TOPIC! DELETE NOW.
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> On Thursday 29 July 2004 03:29 pm, dking at pimpsoft.com wrote:
> > On 25 Jul 2004 at 11:21, Steve wrote:
> > > Guess what, we would not support his efforts if he decided to do that.
> > > He'd most likely loose the whole developer community. Which also does all
> > > this testing. This makes no practical sense...
> 
> I guess you don't see the difference between Mark and his guys, and McClaim 
> and his SCOundrils. I know Mark for his actions, and I for one have no 
> problem "betting the farm" on his integrity.
> 
> > Nether did SCO's actions and look at them. Greed is a big Motivator and I
> > hate the thought of it hurting the opensource community.
> 
> Yeah, you would know. Differences and similarities, you got to be able to tell 
> things apart. You appear to see crime wherever you look. Then look at your 
> domain name, it does not exactly giving us a warm and fuzzy feeling about 
> your judgement, now does it?!
> 
> What comes to mind is, you know others the way you know yourself. I think your 
> intentions are to get people to stop contributing to Asterisk. All this talk 
> about being a friend is just a cover up!
> 
> > > I can also with great certainty talk for all of us, when I say that we
> > > don't take your accusations of Mark and Digium, seriously. You also loose
> > > all your credibility because of it. You walked into the world of Asterisk
> > > and laid claims of gross impropriety, don't expect us to now think very
> > > well of You.
> >
> > I started this thread/discussion in an attempt to help; IF you see me
> > as a idiot I cant stop you but in the end we all have are own ways of
> 
> No, not as an idiot but clearly someone who's trying to stir up trouble.
> You say you're a friend but then at the same time you try to undermine our 
> trust in Digium. Think about what effects your actions really has! 
> 
> Look at this statement:
> 
> "I think the licensing is just A RUSE TO STEAL the software in a legal 
> way at some future date while allowing them to keep a public domain 
> source branch they can do as they please with, IMHO. 
> 
> [My emphasis]
> 
> What do you call that? Being helpful?? Motivating people to contribute more?
> 
> If you really had these issues you would have contacted Mark and had it out 
> with him. Or an attorney. But you don't, you come here and fling dirt on his 
> name without any evidence, or even decent conjecture!
> 
> You say that Mark and his people are up to no good and are going to rip us all 
> off one day! 
> 
> I'm sorry, this acts like a covert attack on Asterisk, and can undermine the 
> trust we have in the project. Of course the good part here is that all the 
> old timers know Mark so your attempt to sabotage is missed on us.
> 
> > doing things. Mine is to call people publicly so that the problem can
> > not be swept under the rug, gets resolved, and makes the open source
> > community as a whole stronger. I'm really a friend of the project, I
> 
> But you're not digging up our "problems", you are digging them up from who 
> knows where. Thanks but we can do without this kind of backstabbing! 
> 
> > just see a legal problem that can bite it in the future and I wanted
> > everyone to know in case they want to protect themselves, not unlike
> > what I do as my day job with security exploits and system
> > administration.  Sometimes making allot fo noise is the only way to
> > get peoples attention and since you all have a vested interest and
> > connection with this project I knew your all going to not like what I
> > am saying and not be open minded and mature about things to the
> > extent I would have liked.
> 
> See that is the same nonsense. You are not a lawyer, but yet you claim to know 
> more than the ones who put the GPL together. Any person with good intent, 
> would have stopped long ago, and verified the facts, instead you continue to 
> spread your foul arbitrary accusations here! And don't call it an adult 
> discussion!
> 
> > > Because unlike you, we have worked with Mark and his company for years,
> > > and apparently have a better understanding of the freedoms of the GPL. We
> > > will also write off your notion of evil under the cupboard, and happily
> > > continue developing.
> >
> > So be it. But when the time comes you can think about me and hold no
> > blame, since I tried as best I could to help.
> 
> Knock off this covert bull, or go and pimp somewhere else...
> 
> Your next post better be some constructive HELP. As in showing someone how to 
> solve a problem. You need to make up for your damage by giving some unselfish 
> help. If that's too much you know how to unsubscribe...
> 
> If you insist on continuing, take it off list. You have mine and anyone elses 
> email address already.
> 
> - -- 
> Steve Szmidt
> 
> "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
> neither liberty nor safety."
>                                 Benjamin Franklin
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