[asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
Matthew Rubenstein
email at mattruby.com
Fri Jul 13 11:51:06 CDT 2007
Whether the public statement is truth or slander is decided by the
courts - not always correctly. By that point in the process, everyone
has lost at least a litle.
On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:35 -0400, Charles Vance wrote:
> You can't sue me if I have stated the truth, and opinion is not
> subject to either slander of libel. I think the "amazon" review style
> works. It's just an opinion and the reader can take it or leave it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Rubenstein
> To: W. Glenn Campbell
> Cc: Asterisk -Biz
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
>
>
> There's a world of distance between "100% trustworthy", and
> the kind of
> dangerously misleading info such a casual approach to public
> reviews can
> be. And considering the personalities in this community which
> that
> directory would serve, I would be surprised if someone
> unsatisfied with
> their public reviews wouldn't seek reprisal against the
> publisher of the
> reviews site, as well as the (less identified/reachable)
> reviewers
> themselves. Like suing the publisher, or otherwise trashing
> them. I
> wouldn't want the responsibility. Not at this stage of
> immaturity of
> this community, inadequacy of usable trust networks, and
> either
> traditions or laws protecting people from charges of
> slander/libel in
> this kind of publication.
>
>
> On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:10 -0400, W. Glenn Campbell wrote:
> > I had added this to a "hobby" site of mine a while back (
> > http://www.itspratings.com ), but never really did anything
> with it. May be
> > time to revive it? I agree that reviews/ratings aren't 100%
> trustworthy,
> > but it's a pretty good starting point for those shopping
> around. Do you
> > really believe all the reviews on Amazon.com ;)
> >
> > As I said, the list is pretty bare, but you are more than
> welcome to add to
> > it. Shoot me an email if you want an provider added to the
> list. Leave a
> > review on the site if you like.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > W. Glenn Campbell
> > wcampbell at netstarsolutionscom
> > NetStar Solutions, LLC.
> > http://www.netstarsolutions.com
> > Phone: (270) 554-6700
> > Fax: (502) 415-7112
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> Matthew
> > Rubenstein
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:54 AM
> > To: Charles Vance
> > Cc: Asterisk -Biz
> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
> >
> > Actually, Wikipedia works pretty well, because its access is
> so open
> > to
> > so many people, and there is indeed a relatively trustworthy
> publisher
> > which implements fairly content-neutral policies to prevent
> most common
> > abuses. Smaller communities with the same model produce a
> much less
> > accurate description of their subject, like the
> Conservopedia.
> >
> > But this directory will suffer from all the worst flaws of
> those
> > models. While representing itself as a tool in the critical
> path of the
> > most fundamental voice network business decisions. Sounds
> like a
> > trainwreck right in the station.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:46 -0400, Charles Vance wrote:
> > > tut tut. The community is trustworthy. Afterall,
> Wickopedia works
> > > doesn't it?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Matthew Rubenstein
> > > To: Al Bochter
> > > Cc: Asterisk -Biz
> > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:29 AM
> > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau (was:
> Re: Fed up
> > > with my ITSP)
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't wait to see this list's typical
> professionalism,
> > > dispassionate
> > > critiques, sense of proportion, fair play among
> competitors
> > > and aversion
> > > to mere gossip and personal attacks be published
> in a central
> > > database
> > > that the general public will use to do business
> with so many
> > > companies
> > > large and small.
> > >
> > > I can't wait, because it doesn't exist.
> > >
> > > Unless this directory has some kind of trust
> network, or other
> > > accountability (there is none other on the
> Internet), then it
> > > will be
> > > routinely abused to game it. It will be at best a
> waste of
> > > time, and at
> > > worst libel/slander
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:10 -0400, Al Bochter
> wrote:
> > > > To everyone on the list
> > > >
> > > > Please email me off the list any BAD ITSP, Voip
> Providers,
> > > And other
> > > > Voip things you had problems with.
> > > > Make SURE you provide details of what that
> problem you had.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know about the good ones too.
> > > >
> > > > I am going to start a list and post the details
> about the
> > > providers.
> > > > We need to give the good ones more business and
> bad ones
> > > less
> > > > VOIP is getting a bad name do to all this
> bull**** and we
> > > need to stop
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a site name in mind but I will have
> this done
> > > A.S.A.P.
> > > > and I will post the URL to the list.
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Al Bochter
> > > > http://www.BochterServices.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Elliot Otchet wrote:
> > > > > Here Here!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > > > > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com]
> On Behalf
> > > Of Dovid
> > > > > Bender
> > > > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:16 AM
> > > > > To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> > > > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi List,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am fed up with one of the ITSP's. That I
> used to use (I
> > > don't use
> > > > > them any more but still have a few DID's by
> them). Back in
> > > the day
> > > > > they were good but now they seem to be down
> every so
> > > often. When you
> > > > > call tech support they say to please wait on
> hold and 2-3
> > > minutes
> > > > > later you hear a good bye and the phone call
> ends. Is
> > > there any site
> > > > > to rate ITSP's ? I think people should know
> for the future
> > > who is
> > > > > good and who is not. If there is no site I am
> willing to
> > > host it if
> > > > > some one wants to write the code.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dovid
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
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