[asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

Charles Vance cbvance at msn.com
Fri Jul 13 11:35:19 CDT 2007


You can't sue me if I have stated the truth, and opinion is not subject to either slander of libel. I think the "amazon" review style works. It's just an opinion and the reader can take it or leave it.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Matthew Rubenstein<mailto:email at mattruby.com> 
  To: W. Glenn Campbell<mailto:wcampbell at netstarsolutions.com> 
  Cc: Asterisk -Biz<mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com> 
  Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau


  There's a world of distance between "100% trustworthy", and the kind of
  dangerously misleading info such a casual approach to public reviews can
  be. And considering the personalities in this community which that
  directory would serve, I would be surprised if someone unsatisfied with
  their public reviews wouldn't seek reprisal against the publisher of the
  reviews site, as well as the (less identified/reachable) reviewers
  themselves. Like suing the publisher, or otherwise trashing them. I
  wouldn't want the responsibility. Not at this stage of immaturity of
  this community, inadequacy of usable trust networks, and either
  traditions or laws protecting people from charges of slander/libel in
  this kind of publication.


  On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:10 -0400, W. Glenn Campbell wrote:
  > I had added this to a "hobby" site of mine a while back (
  > http://www.itspratings.com<http://www.itspratings.com/> ), but never really did anything with it.  May be
  > time to revive it?  I agree that reviews/ratings aren't 100% trustworthy,
  > but it's a pretty good starting point for those shopping around.  Do you
  > really believe all the reviews on Amazon.com   ;)
  > 
  > As I said, the list is pretty bare, but you are more than welcome to add to
  > it.  Shoot me an email if you want an provider added to the list.  Leave a
  > review on the site if you like.
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > W. Glenn Campbell
  > wcampbell at netstarsolutions.com<mailto:wcampbell at netstarsolutions.com>
  > NetStar Solutions, LLC.
  > http://www.netstarsolutions.com<http://www.netstarsolutions.com/>
  > Phone:  (270) 554-6700
  > Fax:  (502) 415-7112
  > 
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com<mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
  > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matthew
  > Rubenstein
  > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:54 AM
  > To: Charles Vance
  > Cc: Asterisk -Biz
  > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau
  > 
  > Actually, Wikipedia works pretty well, because its access is so open
  > to
  > so many people, and there is indeed a relatively trustworthy publisher
  > which implements fairly content-neutral policies to prevent most common
  > abuses. Smaller communities with the same model produce a much less
  > accurate description of their subject, like the Conservopedia.
  > 
  > But this directory will suffer from all the worst flaws of those
  > models. While representing itself as a tool in the critical path of the
  > most fundamental voice network business decisions. Sounds like a
  > trainwreck right in the station.
  > 
  > 
  > On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:46 -0400, Charles Vance wrote:
  > > tut tut. The community is trustworthy. Afterall, Wickopedia works
  > > doesn't it?
  > >         ----- Original Message ----- 
  > >         From: Matthew Rubenstein 
  > >         To: Al Bochter  
  > >         Cc: Asterisk -Biz 
  > >         Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 10:29 AM
  > >         Subject: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau (was: Re: Fed up
  > >         with my ITSP)
  > >         
  > >         
  > >         I can't wait to see this list's typical professionalism,
  > >         dispassionate
  > >         critiques, sense of proportion, fair play among competitors
  > >         and aversion
  > >         to mere gossip and personal attacks be published in a central
  > >         database
  > >         that the general public will use to do business with so many
  > >         companies
  > >         large and small.
  > >         
  > >         I can't wait, because it doesn't exist.
  > >         
  > >         Unless this directory has some kind of trust network, or other
  > >         accountability (there is none other on the Internet), then it
  > >         will be
  > >         routinely abused to game it. It will be at best a waste of
  > >         time, and at
  > >         worst libel/slander
  > >         
  > >         
  > >         On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 10:10 -0400, Al Bochter wrote:
  > >         > To everyone on the list
  > >         > 
  > >         > Please email me off the list any BAD ITSP, Voip Providers,
  > >         And other
  > >         > Voip things you had problems with.
  > >         > Make SURE you provide details of what that problem you had.
  > >         > 
  > >         > Let me know about the good ones too.
  > >         > 
  > >         > I am going to start a list and post the details about the
  > >         providers.
  > >         > We need to give the good ones more business and bad ones
  > >         less
  > >         > VOIP is getting a bad name do to all this bull**** and we
  > >         need to stop
  > >         > it.
  > >         > 
  > >         > I don't have a site name in mind but I will have this done
  > >         A.S.A.P.
  > >         > and I will post the URL to the list.
  > >         > Best regards,
  > >         > 
  > >         > Al Bochter
  > >         > http://www.BochterServices.com<http://www.bochterservices.com/>
  > >         > 
  > >         >
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  > >         > 
  > >         > 
  > >         > Elliot Otchet wrote: 
  > >         > > Here Here!
  > >         > > 
  > >         > >  
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > From:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
  > >         > > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf
  > >         Of Dovid
  > >         > > Bender
  > >         > > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:16 AM
  > >         > > To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com<mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
  > >         > > Subject: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > >  
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > Hi List,
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > I am fed up with one of the ITSP's. That I used to use (I
  > >         don't use
  > >         > > them any more but still have a few DID's by them). Back in
  > >         the day
  > >         > > they were good but now they seem to be down every so
  > >         often. When you
  > >         > > call tech support they say to please wait on hold and 2-3
  > >         minutes
  > >         > > later you hear a good bye and the phone call ends. Is
  > >         there any site
  > >         > > to rate ITSP's ? I think people should know for the future
  > >         who is
  > >         > > good and who is not. If there is no site I am willing to
  > >         host it if
  > >         > > some one wants to write the code.
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > >  
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > Thanks.
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > Dovid
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > > 
  > >         > >
  > >
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