[Asterisk-biz] LiveVoip Multi Channel PBX City Plan

[Max W Blackmer Jr]

> Before you start babbling, i think you need to find yourself more
> educated. a PRI in a datacenter will run you less then $400 per month,
> it will provide you with 24 channels, with NO PER MINUTE fee. Lets see

UMMM ... 24 channels are less one for signaling so 23 channels are for
audio Unless you are NOT using ISDN then you have 24 channels but you
can not take advantage of some of the advance feature available on a
ISDN PRI.  If you do not need the features in ISDN than you can go with
an 24 Channel T1 Phone connection.  There is a way if you have multiple
ISDN PRI's to share one control channel to get 24 channel but you have
to have more than 1 ISDN PRI to use that signaling.

One other thing It depends on the local loop for your cost of the T1...
That price I quoted was Local loop cost Plus local Telco Services On an
ISDN PRI from Sprint for a client of mine.  Not all companies have
massive datacenters available to get those large discounts on Service.
I set up growing companies. I do use ISDN PRI  but I also use Voip as a
backup for overflow and during peak usage. With a Dedicated Long
distance ISDN Pri I can get the per min rate down to 2.4 cents a min.

> that's less then $20 a month, and you can receive and place as many
> calls as you like.
>
>   Secondly we are using VOIP here people, just because Digium makes some
> of these handy pri cards, why the hell would you even use one. If you
> can get the volume you connect direct to sprint, l3, GBLX, xo, and tons
> of other providers via SIP. There is no per channel fee, and their is
> no limit on what you can do. In fact if you want to pay less then $10
> per channel, you can get unlimited channels from L3 as well, which
> allows you basically unlimited inbound and outbound calling, again with
> NO PER MINUTE FEE.

You missed the point of this discussion ... per channel cost... That is
what prompted the numbers from me in the first place. It was not
nessessarly unlimited time, but the number of simultaneous channels
open to the system.  The costs are just a basis for client to go from
not a means to an end.

>   Now i understand not everyone has the volume to go direct, but pick
> one of the thousands of VOIP providers out there, that do go direct,
> and get yourself no limits. VOIPs 1.2c/minute seems pretty expensive if
> you are going to start adding in a monthly fee just to place a call.
> That $10/month is almost 1000 minutes of usage at their 1.2c rate,
> which i doubt most people even use. Which means if you do use 1000
> minutes, you are actually paying $.024 cents a minute. All this and you
> get to be with a provider that doesn't have the most glowing reviews.

I agree with you that voip is not as reliable as PTSN.  The VoIP does
have its problems still, but so do Cell phones and people choose to use
them as well. It depends what you or your clients are willing to
tolerate.  I always recommend PTSN along with VoIP never just Voip for
2 reasons.  ( 911 service,  Alternative when someone cuts a Fiber trunk
but that can also knock out phones as well).
>
>   This is not a bash on VOIP, because I think they are trying hard to
> get decent products to their consumers. This is more a bash on all you
> stupid, uneducated, asterisk users out there, who are dumb enough to
> fall for the 1.2c a minute rate, and think that's not only what you are
> really paying, but also expect some guy to give you awesome support as
> well.
>
>
> Oh and there are many many good reasons to go direct via sip to your
> provider.  If you don't know these already do some research.

There are also reasons for choosing IAX2 Trunking some of the overhead
of multiple sip connections are reduced, thus more connections through
an IAX2 Trunk after 4 simultaneous connections a bandwidth savings are
realized.

VoIP has a ways to go to reach the reliability of  PSTN network.
Technology is improving and QoS routers and switches are being moved
into small offices and ISP's. The big problem is over subscription with
Smaller ISP. But VoIP performance will improve when they implement QoS
and ToS routing and switching.  A QoS and ToS Switch can be purchased
for under $300 for 24 ports which makes it more affordable for small
businesses.

Thanks for listening,

Max W. Blackmer, Jr.