[asterisk-users] List of telemarketers??

Dave Bour dcbour at desktopsolutioncenter.ca
Sat May 12 17:33:35 MST 2007 

So a few questions...
1. Can we dump the entire database with names, category and the
collective hit count/sync anything we already have.
2. Can we upload our hits to the collective count (and immediately 0
ours, reloading our collective count number) on a periodic basis.
3. Can we upload new items we flag
4. Can we query real time something we get, ie something like the caller
id Nerd Vittles Call Trifeca lookup to see if we have a hit since we
last updated.

And now to get really smart...a peer list such that we don't overload
your server but rather randomly pull our data from a peer.  The
challenge would be to keep the hit count accurate...possible solutions
would be rather than track hit count would be to actually record
someone's "peer id such as a mac address" and the number/date/time it
was hit... It would also then show the accuracy/relevance of a number if
it's last update was 6 months ago...etc.  

The final stage would be local implementation for each user...to put
that list to meaningful use..do we simply use it as a caller id and
category...do we build a category block individually...and does a number
qualify as a multiple category 

Thanks for the work so far.
D.



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[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Johnson
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 8:02 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] List of telemarketers??

Actually have downloaded a database of over 3000 US numbers in it so
far, and have a script to return an XML result with data in it. Coding
of the page to enter data is also on the way and should be up and
working soon. We are still working on adding the names to the numbers
that we do have, so the data returns at this time is just that the
number exists, the last time it was accessed, and the count of how many
times it has been accessed.

Taking requests if there is more data that would like to be added to the
results.

Dave Bour wrote:
> As this is a thread off a topic I spun off another thread...some 
> thoughts...or a pooled database of numbers not listed..doesn't even 
> need to be telemarketers.
> 1. track the hit count.and last used..collecitvely..see if a number is

> still being used...
> 2. name against the company...
> 3. a list of bogus entries..so when you look at it, you know it's a 
> fake phone number...one that recently came in that got me thinking 
> this was 407 111 1111. Right away, I knew it was a 
> spammer/telemarketer since it's not a valid number...and I was on the 
> offence answering the phone...
> In fact, a possible update to the blacklist function in asterisk is a 
> database tracking of it's usage. is it a one of that hit me 
> once..never called back...
> and another issue is the charity type...what's blacklist to you may 
> not be to me, ie..clothing pickup donation charitys...they really 
> annoy me calling several times a week, but one, I don't block as 
> they're good, their caller id is accurate and they actually leave a 
> message with a number offering you to call back if you have something 
> to pick up (granted it's a recording that does that but at least it's 
> not a hangup). Some may wish to block all those... Political donation 
> type numbers are another one that irk some but not others.
> By putting names against the number and "classification"...you could 
> at least then choose to blacklist once the first call comes in, based 
> on accurate caller id info.
>
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> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve 
> Totaro
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:26 AM
> *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> *Subject:* RE: [asterisk-users] List of telemarketers??
>
> Things that will make your idea difficult.
>
> Although telemarketers are supposed to send their CallerID, many if 
> not most, I see "Unkown". I believe this is illegal but I see it many 
> times a day.
>
> I worked at a company with over one thousand toll free numbers, simply

> changing outbound CallerID to another number defeats your scripts. I 
> could also change the actual DNIS of these calls, so a telemarketer 
> could easily defeat your mechanism and still be legal.
>
> I could also send any arbitrary ten digit CallerID and DNIS which 
> looks better to the callee than "Unknown" but cannot be associated to 
> a particular telemarketer.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve Totaro
> http://www.asteriskhelpdesk.com/
> KB3OPB
>
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> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Ritesh

> Agrawal
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2007 4:38 PM
> *To:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] List of telemarketers??
>
> Thanks everyone for the responses, encouragement and offers to help.
> I will get started on this shortly and circle back with you guys.
> If someone has a starter list, it would help jump start the 
> efforts/motivation :-)
>
> Ritesh
>
>
> On 5/9/07, *Noah Miller* <noahisaacmiller at gmail.com 
> <mailto:noahisaacmiller at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Ritesh -
>
> > Does anyone know if there is a known list of telemarketers?
> > Something like http://whocalled.us/ with an easier access?
> >
> > We could all benefit if there was such a thing :-) If there is 
> > enough interest, I could put up a database that everyone can benefit

> > from.
> >
> > I just need some suggestions on:
> > (1) Adding new numbers based on community responses (some rule to 
> > sanity
> > check)
> > (2) Method that everyone would prefer to access the dbase.
>
> Wow, that's a generous offer. I like the idea of a blacklist for 
> telemarketers. It's bound to be more effective than an RBL for 
> spammers! One thing to note: this may end up being a non-US database.
> Here in the US, I've experienced great success with the 
> www.donotcall.gov <http://www.donotcall.gov> service. If you're in the

> US and haven't signed up for this service, I'd highly recommend it. Of

> course, there may be non-telemarketer calls that it would be nice to 
> be able to block.
>
>
> - Noah
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