[asterisk-users] Dry Copper Pair

[Jon Pounder]

Quoting Stephen Bosch <posting at vodacomm.ca>:

> Jon Pounder wrote:
>>> On 5/11/07, Alex Balashov <abalashov at evaristesys.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 May 2007, C F said something to this effect:
>>>>
>>>>> Not according to Verizon (in my area anyhow), We tried it and it
>>>> didn't
>>>>> work. The verizon technician insisted it wasn't real PTP copper and
>>>>> therefore anything but analog voice might/should not work.
>>>>    What is "PTP copper"?  Unless it's an issue of gauge.  But as far as
>>>> I
>>>> know, it's not.  All the standard copper used for POTS can be used for a
>>>> T1 from a physical point of view, other aspects of conditioning/load
>>>> coils/etc/etc not withstanding.
>>> You are right, but that was not what I meant, in order for one to be
>>> able to provision their own T1 over a pair of copper, the line has to
>>> allow all traffic over all frequencies pass thru it. Which these lines
>>> do not, since they are simply not just one long copper pair simply
>>> cross connected.
>>
>> that's what "dry copper" is supposed to be, just a cross connect between 2
>> pairs out of the CO. ie not even battery, line test equipment, or anything
>> else hanging off it at the CO. any restriction should be purely a function
>> of the inductance/capacitance of the wire and the connections and nothing
>> else - anything else and you didn't get "dry copper" in the first place.
>>
>>
>> just out of curiousity - anyone ever hijack pairs and get away with it ?
>> (do your own cross connects on the street and utilize some crossconnect
>> all within one branch of F1 cable out of the CO ?)
>>
>> I've been tempted in the past, and know that at least around here I would
>> probably get away with it for quite some time before anyone actually cared
>> enough to investigate.
>
> Jon:
>
> Is Thorold rural?
>
> You wouldn't get away with this for ten minutes in an urban CO. I don't
> fancy spending the night in jail.
>

it not a big city, but its not the middle of nowhere either.

The local CO here is actually the last hop on the fibre trunks from  
Canada to the US for the Toronto area, fence around it has the gate  
open 24x7, so its not just the local loops that they don't really care  
enough to protect.

I have seen techs find things they didn't agree with or think should  
be somewhere and just shrug their shoulders - if its not a reported  
problem they don't want to be the one that touches something and  
breaks it if its really supposed to be there. A lot of the techs are  
subcontracted by the job, they don't get paid to make improvements,  
they get paid to do installations and go on repair calls, so if its  
not on their work order they just don't care.

Here is an example, I order lines in batches of 1 or 2 at a time to my  
location, every time an installer comes they put another 2pr aerial  
cable from my pole to the pole across the street. I have plenty of  
underground capacity I put in myself out to my pole. Everytime I say,  
hey why not just consolidate things in a properly sized aerial cable  
or just bury it ? No, can't do that, all I can do is install yet  
another cable (there are about 10 up there now, and it looks like  
hell). I have even got the response, "well if you want to clean it up  
you could just do it and no one would care". If that's not a direct  
invitation to work on the telco outside plant yourself - what is ?





> -Stephen-
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Jon Pounder

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