[asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!

[Dovid B]

Dave,
I agree with you. I think it would be smarter to go to a new format how ever 
one issues that a lot of people seem to have is when the syntax is changed. 
This is why I suggested both. Maybe there can be a month (or maybe even two) 
long discussion between the users and dev list for A) Current formatting B) 
formatting for the future and we can have both say for the next two major 
releases (as opposed to 1 now) and then move over. Wouldn't this make more 
people happy ?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "dave cantera" <david.cantera at iacnet.net>
To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion" 
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Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's old!


> dovid...
> while this seems like a good idea to have both sip show channels and
> show channels sip.... having two, three or even four ways to do the same
> thing would confuse/cripple the learning curve... * would turn into a
> microsoft mentality where there are dozens of ways to
> configure/reconfigure some of their products...  word, for example, can
> be configured with or without the tool bars and then you can configure
> hot-keys...  in fact, you can configure some products so that someone
> who learns it with a hacked config, could not possibly use the original
> stock config...  sorry to go on about this but it is one of my hot
> buttons...
> daveC
>
> Dovid B wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Edwards" <asterisk.org at sedwards.com>
>> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
>> <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 5:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Upgrade to Asterisk 1.4 - it's one year's 
>> old!
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Johansson Olle E wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wonder if there are any major obstacles for upgrading.
>>>>
>>> How about the change from a bad command line interface to a really bad
>>> command line interface?
>>>
>>> I mean, Seriously? (in a Grey's Anatomy kind of way...)
>>>
>>> The old syntax was inconsistent -- "show manager command" vs "sip show
>>> channels" and just plain bad -- for example "sip reload" should have 
>>> been
>>> "reload sip."
>>>
>>> The new syntax continues down the noun-verb path instead of correcting
>>> itself and using verb-noun like most other applications (MySQL, GDB,
>>> Oracle, etc.)
>>>
>>> Then, just to make it worse, now I have to learn which commands somebody
>>> (arbitrarily) decided are "core" and which are not -- for what benefit?
>>> Certainly doesn't make MY job easier!
>>>
>>> Approach the command line like a noob. I want Asterisk to show me
>>> something so I'll start the command line with "show." I'm not quite sure
>>> what I'm doing, so I'll press <TAB> to see what I can show. Oh, 
>>> "channel"
>>> looks like what I want. Hmm, too much. Maybe I should have qualified 
>>> what
>>> kind of channel I'm looking for BEFORE the word "channel."
>>>
>>> Here's a suggestion -- stop thinking like a parser and start thinking 
>>> like
>>> a person :)
>>>
>>> Which makes more sense (at least in English)?
>>>
>>>  1) show black dogs -- show sip channels
>>>  2) black show dogs -- sip show channels
>>>  3) dogs black show -- channels sip show
>>>  4) show dogs black -- show channels sip
>>>  5) black dogs show -- sip channels show
>>>  6) dogs show black -- channels show sip
>>>
>>> Is it too late to fix this for 1.6?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>
>> I think as many people have pointed out they are used to a lot of 
>> commands
>> out there so changing it yet again would make more people unhappy. But 
>> maybe
>> asterisk can have both. Why not sip show channels for the old timers and
>> show channels sip or show sip channels for the n00b's. Why shouldn't
>> asterisk have both options ?
>>
>>
>>
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