[Asterisk-Users] Who's happy with their voip service?

Sat May 7 19:41:16 MST 2005

	To be more specific to my point -- Using the internet today,
with the demands of streaming real-time applications, which require a
level of QoS wasn't originally designed in to IPv4.  With a wide array
of mods, patches and additions, there is 'some' support for
prioritization. We would be better off with a protocol suite like v6
that not only offers a solid packet-prioritization system, but several
key network enhancements as well.  Deployment is understandably
painstaking.

	Sure, I agree IPv4 is legendary.  But using it with what the
internet now demands is like trying to get to the moon with a steam
locomotive.

Chris Coulthurst
chris at shuksan.com

|-----Original Message-----
|From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
|bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Michael D Schelin
|Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:17 AM
|To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
|Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Who's happy with their voip service?
|
|Isn't amazing what has happened in the last five or six years with the
|Internet.  There is no design flaw with IPv4. It was created back when
|you were in diapers and with todays pda's having more power than the
|systems back then.  An industry protocol that is going strong 30 or
more
|years is amazing in it's own right. How could they see the future of
|what we are doing today with the protocol.  I believe the engineers who
|designed IPv4 were brilliant men and did a great job designing
|something that is computer system neutral.
|
|Again in the the last few years VoIP has come a long way as the PSTN
has
|had over 100 years to perfect theirs. If we did not have to interface
|with the PSTN don't you think we would be better off?  They didn't have
|to interface with anybody else.
|
|
|Chris Coulthurst wrote:
|
|>I tend to agree about the in-house being the 'stable part'.  Like
|>anything else on the internet, if you don't have control of all parts
|>(trunks and phones and dialplans), there are bound to be issues with
|>uptime, and how your equipment responds to 'their' downtime.  It
reminds
|>me of the headaches I had as an ISP when a BGP4 route wouldn't switch
to
|>the redundant carrier, because the main carrier didn't really die, it
|>just stopped transmitting!
|>
|>It's also worth noting the design flaws with IPv4 handling priority
|>packets in the first place.  I think most of the little 'gotchas' in
|>VoIP would magically vanish if QoS was something that could be
depended
|>upon.  All you need is one router to not know how to pass the qos
token,
|>and now you don't really have any!  Its another example hiw an
in-house
|>system can be stable when you hold all the cards.
|>
|>By the time IPv6 gets here, it will be amazingly obsolete...
|>
|>Chris Coulthurst
|>chris at shuksan.com
|>
|>
|>|-----Original Message-----
|>|From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
|>|bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Andre Normandin
|>|Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 8:00 AM
|>|To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
|>|Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Who's happy with their voip service?
|>|
|>|I've had Broadvoice for over a year now, and although their outages
are
|>|really annoying, the fact that their service costs $20/month
unlimited
|>is
|>|what keeps me with them..
|>|
|>|I have 2 Inbound #'s through them (same account), one in GA (678-253)
|>and
|>|one in CT (203-935), and overall their inbound has been more reliable
|>than
|>|their outbound (minus the past week or so)..
|>|
|>|I have my dialplan try BV first, and then if it cannot use BV for
|>outbound,
|>|it rolls to my pots line(s).. It actually works really well, except
|>that if
|>|BV goes completely toes up Asterisk decides that it doesn't want to
do
|>|anything either :-(
|>|
|>|That is what I find the most annoying, quite frankly, BV is having
|>Growing
|>|pains (in my opinion), and I can accept that, haven't put anything
|>critical
|>|on my BV inbound, and 90% of the time BV outbound works fine.. The
rest
|>of
|>|the time, the pots take care of outbound, and anyone who calls me
calls
|>on
|>|my pots lines (except for family in GA, which is why I have the GA
#).
|>|
|>|For me personally, I just think VOIP is 'too' early in the maturity
|>curve
|>|to
|>|really rely on it as a provider.. It's great in-house (medium/large
|>|companies), but for service, I think pots are the way to have rock
|>solid
|>|service for the time being.
|>|
|>|I know of two of my friends that have Vonage as their only inbound
|>numbers
|>|(not via asterisk, via the vonage locked adapters, so it is
completely
|>|vonange), and their service also has issues at times.. Granted, I'm
not
|>|sure
|>|if it's a true vonage issue, or their internet connection, but
|>nonetheless,
|>|there are still issues..
|>|
|>|If I could get Asterisk so it just work continue 'working' properly
|>with
|>|whatever SIP connections it can reach, I'd be a happy man..  Don't
get
|>me
|>|wrong, I think Broadvoice needs to communicate better with their
|>customer
|>|base, and the latest ongoing outage is, to say the least, very
|>frustrating,
|>|but I am willing to cut them some slack because I think VOIP is still
|>in
|>|it's infancy, and broadvoice is the only BYOD provider I know that
will
|>|give
|>|unlimited for $20.00/month..
|>|
|>| - Andre
|>|
|>|-----Original Message-----
|>|From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
|>|[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of
Johnathan
|>|Corgan
|>|Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:58 AM
|>|To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
|>|Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Who's happy with their voip service?
|>|
|>|
|>|JD wrote:
|>|
|>|> Inbound
|>|> calling has been down for 2 days.
|>|
|>|Just FYI, mine is back up (408-903) as of about five hours ago.
|>|
|>|I did just speak with a (Broadvoice) support tech on an entirely
|>|unrelated matter (40 min. hold time!), mentioned mine was working,
and
|>|he seemed to think things were coming back in stages.
|>|
|>|I've had them for two months now.  People may recall a series of
emails
|>|regarding packet loss through their PNAP link to Sprintlink (my
ex-ISP
|>|backbone.)  I ditched the Sprint BBD fixed-wireless service, got
|>|Sonic.net DSL, and have been enjoying pretty high quality voice
service
|>|since.  The packet loss rates at PNAP still show but I think now this
|>|shows it's an artificial measure (intentionally dropped non-VOIP
|>|packets, all the other potential reasons hashed about in that
thread.)
|>|
|>|In spite of the service outages and long hold times for support, I
|>still
|>|want to give them the benefit of the doubt (and my $25 monthly.)  It
|>|still seems like growing pains vs. incompetency.
|>|
|>|I tried their web interface to change DIDs, as they now have them in
my
|>|home area code.  The effect was instant, I reconfigured sip.conf with
|>|the new number and secret they provide, and something like 3 minutes
|>|later was using the new DID.  So some things do work well.
|>|
|>|Wish they did IAX. And ILBC. Not that important to me right now,
|>though.
|>|
|>|-Johnathan
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