[Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?

[Wiley Siler]

It is MORE than apparent that you do not want to help me.
Fortunately, I am not asking for your help.

However, if you don't care to answer politely, then why answer at all?
Treating people crappy over an email is stupid.
Just ignore the noob and move on with your life if you don't want to
answer.

Regardless, you seriously need to come to terms with the fact that it
WILL continue to happen.
New users will always equal people without a clue.  
They will come here not knowing how to do anything or how to find
anything.

<IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMING>
Whether they stay and become users, contributors, and purchasers of
service or equipment has a lot to do with how they are treated at the
outset.
<IMPORTANT DISTINCTION COMPLETE>

If they do not KNOW that voip-info exists how are they supposed to look
there?
Because someone found the usergroup from Digium .com, they should know
how to use Google to site:lists.digium.com?  Or they should
automatically know where the Wiki is?  I recognize that there are links
they could have followed but it is just "noobitis".  They get
overwhelmed or don't know the next move. Or maybe don't know the
etiquite.  If they are just drifting through and not destined to be
users, they will go away.  If they are destined to be users, we should
shape them into good one. A good teacher would encourages them and move
on.  Not chastize them.

Research is the issue?  Then point them to where they should go and let
them do it.
I agree with your general feelings on when people come here looking for
htings they should be able to get themselves.
I just don't agree with how to handle it.

For you, it would be better for everyone if you just deleted the email
and ignored the person.
You would be happy and the person who asked could get an answer from
someone else.
Then we can correct the person so they can be a GOOD submitter to the
list.
That way we all benefit.

Cheers,
Wiley



 

-----Original Message-----
From: C F [mailto:shmaltz at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:57 PM
To: Wiley Siler; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Vonage a provider?

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:34:04 -0700, Wiley Siler
<wsiler at education2020.com> wrote:

Why answer? because I don't want this to happen again. But I dont'
care to help him/her or even you.
If the answer is as close to someone as a single line in google, I don't
understand why this is called giving a hand? this will just teach some
ppl to be ever more lazy.


> Why answer if you are bothered?  Isn't that just burning more of those

> electrons of yours?  8)
Burning more electrons. Nope, maybe he/she and you will learn for next
time, so I saved those electrons. Now don't ask me if I'm burning more
electrons now. I dont' think so look above.


> People get stuck on things and need a hand.  Doesn't mean they are 
> lazy by default.
If all they had to do is search for vonage on voip-info.org and there it
is, then it does mean that they are lazy.

> They just don't know better.
They don't know better? I think they do. How did they get to this list
then?
 
> In this case, it is a good chance to direct him to other providers who

> do what he wants.
He doesn't want other providers he want vonage, and vonage does it.
(you are also one of those lazy ones, you didn't even search it on
voip-info.org).

> That strengthens the providers, strengthens the market for voip, and 
> that will improve things for ALL voip users.
I can't agree more with you, and thats exactly why vonage offers it.
Hopefuly because vonage offers it, broadvoice will start offering it in
his area soon.

> Why ot just drop the hint for how the user can get things they want 
> and let them learn.
That's exactly what I did. As well as asked that person to please search
first.

> Todays noob is tomorrows Asterisk contributor.
> 
> Like mama said, if you don't have anything nice to say, you should not

> say anything at all.

I did, I tought him how to use google for a specific site (BTW, you can
do the same thing from within voip-info.org, thats how their search tool
works).

> At least that is how I feel about noobs and silly questions.

This has nothing to do with noobs and/or silly questions. This has to do
with not doing any research but wanting others to do it for you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Wiley
>