[Asterisk-Users] Becoming a VOIP provider

[Julien Goodwin]

On Wed, Jan 19, 2005 at 02:53:56PM -0700, Keith Burns arranged a set of bits into the following:
> Be careful of LI requirements in Australia.

Which ones, there are pretty much none!
What we have in .au (for quite a lot of things in reality) is a
PERCEPTION that these things are legislated (like free speech and
lifeline services) but they arn't. And I can confirm that under
australian communications law if you're doing VoIP lifeline is not a
requirement (and if required I can supply contact details of one of the
people who recently got that statement claified in the law).

> You MAY be able to put the onus for this on your upstream (PRI/IMT)
> provider, but if you have many, this could be messy.
> 
> Best bet would be to have a solution yourself... when I was looking into
> this the good news was that the enforcement agencies (which at last
> count was around 47, any of whom could hit you for their own real-time
> feed of the conversation) were considering taking the VoIP feed (RTP)
> and the logs of the signaling. (Things may have changed, your mileage
> may vary, yada, yada, yada).
> 
> Also, after a little kiddy died of an asthma attack in rural Victoria
> because Telstra (the lazy @#$@#$  - I digress) hadn't fixed their phone,
> lifeline services (E911 in the US) are more and more important to have
> nailed.. you don't want that on your conscience (your service not
> working causing harm to someone) nor would your business appreciate the
> lawsuits.
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
> > bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ed Robbins
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 2:02 PM
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Becoming a VOIP provider
> > 
> > Ty Carter wrote:
> > 
> > >Ed:
> > >
> > >I think you must have some bad information here.....VoIP is an
> Information
> > >service and not subject to CALEA regulations.....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > Whether it's a subject to those regulations or not I still know first
> > hand it's a big issue with broadband voip providers.  I work for a
> > company that develops VoiP for the broadband market and it's something
> > we had to develop for our customers.  I don't know all the details of
> it
> > and what is going on behind the scenes in terms of regulations but my
> > thinking is that voip providers have to tie into the PSTN somewhere
> and
> > the FCC can most likely tap into(no pun intended), meaning require you
> > meet the guidlines put forth in CALEA, from that legal point of view.
> I
> > had never thought about this before but I should talk to my buddy who
> > got a CLEC a few years ago, I'm wondering if there is something in
> there
> > that spells it out.
> > 
> > Ed
> > 
> > >According to the calea website:
> > >
> > >In a Notice of Proposed Rulemaking FCC 02-42 released on February 15,
> 2002,
> > >the FCC initiated a proceeding to establish rules and regulations
> regarding
> > >the classification of "wireline broadband Internet access" under the
> > >Telecommunications Act. Digital Subscriber Line (DSL) service is an
> example
> > >of wireline broadband Internet access. In this document, the FCC
> > >"tentatively" decided that wireline broadband Internet access is an
> > >"information service."
> > >
> > >In a Declaratory Ruling and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking FCC 02-77
> released
> > >on March 15, 2002, the FCC made a "declaratory ruling" that cable
> modem
> > >service (Internet access through cable TV lines) is an "information
> service"
> > >under the Telecommunication Act and initiated a proceeding to
> establish
> > >rules and regulations based on that finding.
> > >
> > >Therefore, the FCC's pending wireline broadband Internet access
> proceeding
> > >is CC Docket Nos. 02-33, 95-20, and 98-10 and the cable modem
> broadband
> > >Internet access proceeding is CS Docket No. 02-52 (collectively the
> "FCC
> > >Broadband Proceedings").
> > >
> > >It should be noted that the FCC is not primarily focusing on CALEA in
> these
> > >proceedings, rather its emphasis is on the economic and policy
> concerns
> > >involved in regulation of these services under the Communications
> Act.
> > >However, since CALEA exempts "information service" from the
> surveillance
> > >capability requirements of Section 103, these FCC decisions have the
> > >potential to exclude broadband DSL and cable modem service from CALEA
> > >compliance.
> > >
> > >The FBI filed the following comments in the Broadband
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>-----Original Message-----
> > >>From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > >>[mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> > >>Ed Robbins
> > >>Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 3:19 PM
> > >>To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > >>Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Becoming a VOIP provider
> > >>
> > >>Manjit Riat wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>That was a really nice description... Can you do 1-14 and I'll do
> 15
> > >>>and 16??
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Just kiddin.
> > >>>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: Ty Carter [mailto:tmcarter at ultrastat.com]
> > >>>Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 10:58 AM
> > >>>To: nihal at claim.md; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
> > >>>Discussion'
> > >>>Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Becoming a VOIP provider
> > >>>
> > >>>1.  You must have some type of business model / plan 2.  Be well
> > >>>capitalized, starting out is going to be a cash draining
> experience.
> > >>>3.  Have access to (U.S.) PRI or Channelized T1 and High
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>speed Internet
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>connection 4.  For U.S. it always helps on the bottom line
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>if you're a
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>CLEC 5.  Have a test server, if you want to play in the enterprise
> > >>>market, buy a test 1U server and a 1 T1 PRI card 6.  Forumlate your
> > >>>POPS 7.  Get a ANCP Code from Telcordia, then apply for a
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>CIC, Part A
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>code (commly reffered to as a PIC code (10-10-987) 8.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Arrange for a LD
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>carrier, preferabably one that can terminate and originate
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>via SIP, IAX
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>or IP 9.  Arrange for PSAP integration/handoff (for 911) 10.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>Have your
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>lawyer establish your Terms of Service and disclose to your clients
> > >>>about the 911 availability and have them sign off on this.
> > >>>11. When all of the above is satisified and working,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>formulate a beta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>pool of clients, a couple of small businesses and a few
> residentials
> > >>>12. Give them cutrate service for testing 13. Once your have
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>your beta
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>trials, put it into production and let the money start flowing.
> > >>>14. Put in a HP Blade server rack, and start provisioning
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>asterisk like
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>crazy.
> > >>>15. Laugh all the way to the bank
> > >>>16. Retire when your 47 and relax on the beach with a
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>beautiful woman
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>in one hand and a cold drink in the other :-)
> > >>>
> > >>>That is about all there is to it.....
> > >>>
> > >>>Any more questions?
> > >>>
> > >>>Ty Carter
> > >>>Strategic Network Consultants, Inc.
> > >>>524 East 9th Street
> > >>>Washington, NC  27889
> > >>>tmcarter at ultrastat.com
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>P.S.  The last few items are just a joke.. Please, list,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>don't bombard
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>me with flames about hardware vendors or laughing on the way to the
> > >>>bank.  This is just a 30,000 ft overview.  If you want specifics,
> > >>>contact me off list and I will try and help you.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>I don't know applicability in Australia, but in the US don't
> > >>forget about CALEA.  Seems like that is a big issue for a lot
> > >>of providers to come to terms with.
> > >>
> > >>Ed
> > >>
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