[asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket

[Matthew Rubenstein]

	Who put you in charge of when discussions end? All you contributed was
"me too" and "I'm exhausted". And I *agree* with John, and therefore,
you. Meanwhile, I haven't seen you try to shut down any of the many list
discussions that have gone on for days about subjects far less core to
the mission of this list.

	I want to hear more VoIP operators (and clueful customers) talking
about the current market forces working against staying in business. If
you don't, you can set your mailreader to ignore/delete the messages in
this thread.


On Wed, 2007-07-25 at 22:20 -0400, Nicky Smith wrote:
> Well stated John.
> I think this discussion can end now. I am exhaused just reading it.
> 
> Nicky Smith
> www.carolinanet.com
> a profitable ISP/Data Center
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com On Behalf Of John Scully
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 9:09 PM
> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Amp'd Going the Way of Sun Rocket
> 
> Well guys, I hate to tell you this, but we are running several hundred
> profitable VoIP companies.  profitable for us, profitable for our clients,
> and the only reason they are able to sell service is that they can save
> their customers money.
> 
> Vonage lost hundreds of millions by running a ton of stupid TV ads, plus
> every other possible form of direct to end user advertising.  They spent
> $500 in advertising for every sub they signed. Bad business model Sunrocket
> sold service below cost. Bad business model.
> 
> Saying that that voip is not a real product is like saying that selling
> power and gas is not real because of enron.
> 
> There are always well funded, public companies burning cash as fast as they
> can in every new tech area.  They just make it damn difficult for real
> businessmen.
> 
> John Scully
> www.isupportisp.com
> 
> 
> 
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