[asterisk-biz] RE: If moneyisnot a considerationwho givesthebestSIP termination??

[Chris Polk]

holy crap, never mind that was dumb and pointless,
and totally stupid
yeah for hitting reply on the wrong email



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Polk" <chris.polk at humanware.com>
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] RE: If moneyisnot a considerationwho 
givesthebestSIP termination??


> so, you can send messages via email 9253816068 at cingularme.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <alex at pilosoft.com>
> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion" 
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> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] RE: If money isnot a considerationwho 
> givesthebestSIP termination??
>
>
>> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently some people take things a little more personal\serious than I
>>> do.
>> No, some people are just more serious than you are.
>>
>>> If you have that sort of volume, then you can justify layer two links
>>> into your providers' networks.
>>>
>>> Layer 2 links (whether cross-connects within the carrier hotel or some
>>> sort of transport to another location) to your providers is every bit as
>>> good as a DS3.  You then peer your AS with their AS.  Since your ASes
>>> would be peers, traffic would logically flow over the cross connect.
>>> If something happens to that link (assuming you have no other forms of
>>> redundancy), you can resort to a public Internet path to save your butt.
>>> I am relatively new to all of this, but I'm thinking that if you and
>>> your provider have Level(3), they won't dump it off to PCCW just to pick
>>> it back up again.  It does not make fiscal or engineering sense.
>> But you have no QoS within your provider's network. You do not have
>> guaranteed precise timing. Your faxes sent over g.711 may or may not 
>> work.
>> That is not a problem for TDM.
>>
>>> I'm sure those that have deployed a network similar to what I described
>>> (and am in process of building out) have enjoyed the same happiness with
>>> their solution, however, they have a more flexible solution that has
>>> cost them less.  As the saying goes (I'm sure with some degree of
>>> slaughter)...  No one got fired for buying IBM, but many got promoted
>>> for implementing a better solution.
>>>
>>> Yes, the ICS that I started is a local WISP, VoIP operator, network
>>> support, etc., etc.  However, I am in process of securing racks,
>>> bandwidth, private lines, etc. in several carrier hotels in the US and
>>> EU (possible merger\acquisition of another provider with a presence in
>>> the US and Asia).  The clients that I have\am working with represent
>>> over 20k lines.  I have grown beyond the simple operation you take me
>>> for.
>> You keep reminding everyone here of Nick Catalano. Try not to make the
>> same mistakes as he did - don't talk about things "in process" until it
>> actually happens. Otherwise, everyone will keep reminding you of your RFP
>> back when you were in high school for some research project.
>>
>>> Am I pushing a product?  No, I am not ready for customers.  I'm just
>>> trying to push against the "TDM is holier than thou" mentality when not
>>> needed.  GSM?  Why?  It sounds horrible.  G.711 or G.729.  I'm waiting
>>> for good Asterisk support of wideband codecs for higher quality yet.
>> TDM just works. Yes, you *can* make VoIP work almost as good as TDM -
>> using proper QoS, T.38 for faxing, <insert some other solution for modem
>> pass-through> - but why, when TDM just works?
>>
>> Alex Pilosov    | DSL, Colocation, Hosting Services
>> President       | alex at pilosoft.com    877-PILOSOFT x601
>> Pilosoft, Inc.  | http://www.pilosoft.com
>>
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