[Dundi] representation

[Bownes, Robert]

Please forgive my original US centric answer....This all applies only to
the US and other countries in the NANP. The rest of the world handles
0800 numbers differently (of course the US has to be different). 
 
There are two separate but related issues:
 
    +1.800 uniqueness
    +1.800 routing
 
 
In the NANP, toll free numbers (aka 800 numbers) are known as non
geographic numbers, but geographic routing may still apply (by country),
resulting in non routability in the 800 number pool. Interexchange
carriers can also play routing games with 800 numbers based on a number
of factors, including origin, time, etc.
 
I went and did some research and confirmed that in the past the numbers
were unique within a lata, but today, the numbers are unique. 
 
 


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From: Steve Kann [mailto:stevek at stevek.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 1:11 PM
To: Distributed Universal Number Discovery
Subject: Re: [Dundi] representation


Florian Overkamp wrote: 

Hi, 

 

Citeren "Bownes, Robert"  <mailto:Robert.Bownes at ogs.state.ny.us>
<Robert.Bownes at ogs.state.ny.us>: 

  

The problem with 800 numbers is that they are not unique. The same 800 

number may be routed differently on a LATA or geographic basis. See 

http://www.nanpa.com/nas/public/nonGeoNpasInServiceReport.do?method=disp


layNonGeoNpasInServiceReport for a list of the non geographic numbers. 

    

 

Uhm, I'm not in the US, so correct me if I'm wrong, but in the
Netherlands, the least 

thing you can expect is that a 0800 number belongs to one organisation.
Therefore, if 

this organisation chooses to publish the number through DUNDi, they
should never 

have to expect conflicts with other organisations. They control the
route (as they 

should) and they can decide wether or not to deal with it in a certain
way. We can also 

choose what to do with 0800 numbers called by mobile users. This has two
purposes: 

the cost to accept the call is higher, but also we can route differently
based on the 

fact we have no clue about their whereabouts. 

 

I don't think this is a problem. People disclosing 0800 numbers through
the e164 

context in DUNDi should consider callers coming in on this route as
'roaming'. No 

assumptions on whereabouts can be made. 

 

Or am I missing something here ?  

  


Yes,  if  Robert is correct, what you're missing is that "The problem
with 800 numbers is that they are not unique".  So, for example, you
could have a number +1 800 234 5678 which goes to one company when
called from some US states, but goes to another company when called from
other US states.

I don't know if that is (still?) correct, but I do remember in the past
my family's business needed to have a separate toll-free number for
callers in 49 states, and a different number for callers in our home
state, and that callers using the wrong one would not get through.

I'm not sure if those numbers which were for in-state calls only were
assigned to different entities in other states..  It seems pretty insane
to do that, but who knows.  5 minutes of googling didn't seem to give me
an answer..

-SteveK



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