[asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!

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If it shows up as the BTN on the CDRs then technically you should be
billed at the highest possible tariff. Whether your provider will do
that or not depends what they are charged. In general the provider/s
shouldn't use CID as the BTN and therefore you shouldn't be over or
under charged. Even in cases where the CID is actually passed along as
the BTN, the provider should still keep track of you by circuit ID
rather than CID, however when they have to pay their tariffs I am
assuming they will be charged based on BTN which they based on CID
that you set, which will in turn make them lose money IF they are
charged at highest possible tariff.

In conclusion, I don't know what you are charged because I haven't
seen your bills. I don't know if the providers actually have the
capabilities to do BTN different than CID (I am assuming they could),
and if they do have the capablity they should actually make sure that
the BTN is always set to what it is and not CID. If they don't they
should pass on any high tariffs resulting from that to you.


On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Mark Hamilton <mark.h at cage151.com> wrote:
> Yeah, but what do you get billed as? I understand if your callerID and the
> called party is from within a state, it's interstate routing. If between
> states, then it's intrastate, etc
>
> The billing depends on the callerID you send.
> So, if you send a 000-000-0000 clid to a 917 area code, what would the call
> be routed/billed as?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro
> Sent: June 17, 2008 4:55 PM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
>
> I can set to anything on my Qwest circuit.  All zeros or whatever,
> just has to be ten digits.  I have seen some that will send less than
> ten like a four digit extension number on a misconfigured system.
>
> Thanks,
> Steve T
>
> On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> If you have a PRI-T1 in the USA, then you can set outgoing CallerID
>> with just about any carrier.
>>
>> MATT---
>>
>> On 6/17/08, Mark Hamilton <mark.h at cage151.com> wrote:
>>> How can they even set such 1234567890 callerIDs anyway?
>>>  For example, our inter/intra state calling depends a lot on the
> callerIDs.
>>>
>>>
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
>>>
>>> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt
> Florell
>>>  Sent: June 13, 2008 8:20 AM
>>>  To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>>>  Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
>>>
>>>  Hello,
>>>
>>>  I am not suggesting that the USA's laws exist outside of the USA, I
>>>  can imagine the horrible problems that would cause in the rest of
>>>  world. I wanted to point out that if you are using this service and
>>>  doing business in the USA that you could face penalties for not
>>>  following the law. According to the FTC, both companies(the scrubber
>>>  and the client) are guilty of breaking the laws of the USA.
>>>
>>>  If you are calling the USA and need to use this company's FTC DNC list
>>>  filtering services then you may have USA-based operations of some
>>>  kind. In such cases it is important to note that companies have been
>>>  fined millions of dollars and have been shut down in the USA for
>>>  violating these regulations.
>>>
>>>  I am well aware of the fact that companies based outside of the USA
>>>  routinely call-blast the USA with auto-dialers that send out callerIDs
>>>  such as 1234567890 and do no filtering against the USA FTC DNC lists.
>>>  A large portion of these companies are doing lead-generation for
>>>  USA-based companies, and over the years a lot of those USA-based
>>>  companies have been shut down for the activities of their lead
>>>  suppliers.
>>>
>>>  MATT---
>>>
>>>  On 6/13/08, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net> wrote:
>>>  > Yep it's funny how few people on this list realize that the usa's
>>>  >  borders and laws stop 50 miles off the coast.
>>>  >
>>>  >  It's also surprising how few Americans realize that a company
>>>  >  incorporated internationally (Pakistan in this instance) even if
> owned
>>>  >  as a subsidiary of a USA parent doesn't have to follow the laws of
> the
>>>  >  USA but actually falls under the jurisdiction of the laws they are
>>>  >  incorporated under.
>>>  >
>>>  >  I'm not saying this is good or bad, 'm just saying that as 'asterisk'
>>>  >  people we should be smart enough to play the laws that suit us to our
>>>  >  advantage, if you think that the Global 1000 companies don't then you
>>>  >  are kidding yourself.
>>>  >
>>>  >  Besides we have the advantage in that almost everything we do can be
>>>  >  virtual in most instances.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >  Cheers,
>>>  >
>>>  > Dean
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >  -----Original Message-----
>>>  >  From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
>>>  >  [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>>>  >  Totaro
>>>  >  Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 7:06 AM
>>>  >  To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>>>  >  Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
>>>  >
>>>  >  My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.....
>>>  >
>>>  >  Thanks,
>>>  >  Steve T
>>>  >
>>>  >  On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com>
>>>  >  wrote:
>
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