[asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!

Fri Jun 13 10:47:50 CDT 2008

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Alexander Lopez <Alex.Lopez at opsys.com> wrote:
> If that is the way you NEED to set things up then you are obviously a
> scumbag. (No referances to anyone on this list). If you start off with
> so many layers of shells, you obviously don't care what anyone thinks of
> you or your 'affiliated' companies.

I am just telling you how the big boys play.  Like it or not.

>
> The laws were made to be pretty simple to follow, the lists can be
> expensive, but, IRC they are free up to 5 Area Codes. Yes the process to
> scrub may be a pain, but who wants to pitch to someone that DOESN'T want
> to be pitched to?
>
> I personally feel, and this is only an opinion, that you should follow
> the laws of the country to whom you are selling, calling, pitching.  If
> there is a conflict in the law between source and target contries, it is
> better to follow the rules that are more strict.

Then why did you break the law by tampering with the municipality's
electric meter.  Had he needed power for some sort of emergency, you
could very well be held responsible in court.  Whether involuntary
manslaughter or something less.

>
> I lived for 4 years in a building where the Colombian Ambassador lived,
> he lived right above me, every Wednesday night starting at 11:00PM, he
> would have a party, lots of dancing on his hardwood floors, loud music,
> talking, banging, etc.... I went the first few times and asked him to
> please turn it down a notch as my kid needed to sleep for school in the
> morning, He NEVER complied, the Miami Police were called every Wednesday
> by the building security but were unable to make any arrests, or enact
> any type of authority because he was a diplomat and by extension his
> home was not governed by the laws of this country. In the end, I bribed
> the security into letting me into the Meter Room and after removing his
> US power meter, and having him stay in the dark until the power company
> could come the next morning, he learned to get along with others.

See above, you are the one breaking the law.  Using corporations for
protection is why they were created.  This is why the big boys use
these laws to protect themselves and their assets, all legal like.

>
> This will happen to the Off-shore call centers that do not follow the
> rules, they will simply be forced to comply.

By whom?  The "World Police"?

>
> It is not that hard to get a Valid DID from your ITSP that you can use
> to identify your outgoing calls, you can track call backs, both good and
> bad, Have it go to a VM box and allow someone to leave a message. If
> they are interested in being a customer, you gave them a way to reach
> you, if they are upset because you called, take them off your list. It
> is easy, use technology to save your workforce from un-needed work.

OK.

>
> Alex
>

Thanks,
Steve T

>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
>> bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve Totaro
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:42 AM
>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
>>
>> That can be avoided by simply distancing yourself through various
>> corporate shell games.  That's how the big boys do it.
>>
>> A good corporate lawyer can advise how to do this, but basically you
>> setup a corporation that has no real assets that does business with
>> the overseas company directly.  Then you setup another totally
>> separate corporation that uses the first corporation strictly as a
>> "vendor".
>>
>> Let them fine and and subsequently bankrupt the first corporation,
>> with no assets, it is hard to get blood from a stone.
>>
>> Then the second corporation just needs to find a new "vendor".
>>
>> It is similar to forming a corporation that owns your house and
>> generates revenue from you paying "rent" (mortgage) payments.  It is
>> obviously a wash but your house is protected from any claims against
>> you personally since it is owned by a total legally separate corporate
>> entity.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Steve T
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> > You are correct, a company that is outside of the USA does not fall
>> > under the laws of the USA. I said that myself.
>> >
>> > I also said that a company that is INSIDE of the USA or has
> operations
>> > INSIDE of the USA is subject to the laws of the USA.
>> >
>> > This includes companies that are based in the USA that use lead
>> > generation company that are outside of the USA. The company that is
>> > doing lead generation outside of the USA will not get shut down.
>> >
>> > The company that they are doing lead generation for INSIDE of the
> USA
>> > can get shut down for the activities of the company OUTSIDE of the
> USA
>> > because they are acting on their behalf.
>> >
>> > This can still be a problem for the non-USA company because they
> might
>> > not get paid for their lead generation activities if the USA-based
>> > client of theirs is shut down.
>> >
>> > There are many instances of this happening. A recent one was last
> year
>> > where a company called Ameriquest was fined $1 million for violation
>> > of the DNC through it's affiliates, some of which were off-shore
> lead
>> > generation companies. The company shut down because of this fine.
>> >
>> > MATT---
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/13/08, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>  >"A large portion of these companies are doing lead-generation for
>> >>  >USA-based companies, and over the years a lot of those USA-based
>> >>  >companies have been shut down for the activities of their lead
>> >>  >suppliers.
>> >>
>> >>  >MATT---"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Source please? I'm calling bullshit.
>> >>
>> >>  If an incroporated entitiy outside of the USA makes international
>> calls
>> >>  into the USA they do not fall under this law regardless of the
> purpose
>> >>  of the calls.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Dean
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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