[asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!

[Steve Totaro]

Probably a whistle blower, disgruntled employee, or competitor.

Thanks,
Steve T

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure who complains, but it has happened before. the first case was
> in 2006 when Phase One Marketing who was fined by the FTC for
> indirectly acquiring the FTC DNC list from another entity.
>
> MATT---
>
> On 6/13/08, Steve Totaro <stotaro at totarotechnologies.com> wrote:
>> I suppose if they are properly scrubbing (not the legal definition,
>>  but the practical definition of  removing people that are on the DNC
>>  lists), then who is going to complain?
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Steve T
>>
>>
>>  On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  > Hello,
>>  >
>>  > I am not suggesting that the USA's laws exist outside of the USA, I
>>  > can imagine the horrible problems that would cause in the rest of
>>  > world. I wanted to point out that if you are using this service and
>>  > doing business in the USA that you could face penalties for not
>>  > following the law. According to the FTC, both companies(the scrubber
>>  > and the client) are guilty of breaking the laws of the USA.
>>  >
>>  > If you are calling the USA and need to use this company's FTC DNC list
>>  > filtering services then you may have USA-based operations of some
>>  > kind. In such cases it is important to note that companies have been
>>  > fined millions of dollars and have been shut down in the USA for
>>  > violating these regulations.
>>  >
>>  > I am well aware of the fact that companies based outside of the USA
>>  > routinely call-blast the USA with auto-dialers that send out callerIDs
>>  > such as 1234567890 and do no filtering against the USA FTC DNC lists.
>>  > A large portion of these companies are doing lead-generation for
>>  > USA-based companies, and over the years a lot of those USA-based
>>  > companies have been shut down for the activities of their lead
>>  > suppliers.
>>  >
>>  > MATT---
>>  >
>>  > On 6/13/08, Dean Collins <Dean at cognation.net> wrote:
>>  >> Yep it's funny how few people on this list realize that the usa's
>>  >>  borders and laws stop 50 miles off the coast.
>>  >>
>>  >>  It's also surprising how few Americans realize that a company
>>  >>  incorporated internationally (Pakistan in this instance) even if owned
>>  >>  as a subsidiary of a USA parent doesn't have to follow the laws of the
>>  >>  USA but actually falls under the jurisdiction of the laws they are
>>  >>  incorporated under.
>>  >>
>>  >>  I'm not saying this is good or bad, 'm just saying that as 'asterisk'
>>  >>  people we should be smart enough to play the laws that suit us to our
>>  >>  advantage, if you think that the Global 1000 companies don't then you
>>  >>  are kidding yourself.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Besides we have the advantage in that almost everything we do can be
>>  >>  virtual in most instances.
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  Cheers,
>>  >>
>>  >> Dean
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>  -----Original Message-----
>>  >>  From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
>>  >>  [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steve
>>  >>  Totaro
>>  >>  Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 7:06 AM
>>  >>  To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>>  >>  Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] World Cheapest Predictive Dialer!
>>  >>
>>  >>  My guess is that they are outside of the FTC's jurisdiction.....
>>  >>
>>  >>  Thanks,
>>  >>  Steve T
>>  >>
>>  >>  On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Matt Florell <astmattf at gmail.com>
>>  >>  wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
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