[asterisk-dev] Mailing List Future
Paul Kudla
paul at scom.ca
Fri Jan 5 03:15:13 CST 2024
here's another example of the headers
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Time to get in on the action ... would appreciate some form of reply to thi=
s to see what happens at mail-system level too.
Have A Happy Friday !!!
Thanks - Paul Kudla (Manager SCOM.CA Internet Services Inc.)
Scom.ca Internet Services <http://www.scom.ca>
004-1009 Byron Street South
Whitby, Ontario - Canada
L1N 4S3
Toronto 416.642.7266
Main 1.866.411.7266
Fax 1.888.892.7266
Email paul at scom.ca
On 1/4/2024 9:06 AM, asterisk at phreaknet.org wrote:
>
> Could you point out a specific message where this is the case?
> I just looked at a few messages and I don't see bounce at groups.io anywhere.
> The MAIL FROM address used in the SMTP transaction is a VERP-style
> address, unique for every recipient on a list. This way if there is a
> bounce, groups.io knows who bounced and can automatically unsubscribe
> them, without reading the bounce message at all.
> Even the confirmation email I got uses a VERP-style address.
>
> The From headers are sometimes manipulated as you may have noticed, as
> when domains are configured with a DMARC policy, groups.io will rewrite
> the From header so it still looks almost the same but is using their
> domain.
> The old list did not do this, so to Josh's point about mailing list
> messages frequently going to spam, that may have been due to DMARC, and
> so deliverability might increase with the new list since it's handling
> it properly.
>
> There is a List-Id header that contains the address of the mailing list.
> Perhaps you can use that in your filtering?
> If you're really an ISP though, you should be allowing all groups.io
> stuff to go through since there are a huge number of other lists there.
>
> On 1/4/2024 5:52 AM, Paul Kudla (SCOM.CA Internet Services Inc.) wrote:
>>
>> Good morning
>>
>> I got verified however the new mailing list is using
>>
>> Asterisk Development Team via groups.io <bounce at groups.io>
>>
>> note the bounce at groups.io
>>
>> should really be an asterisk email address
>>
>> if i open up groups.io (like msvc etc) then spam will flow
>>
>> i am an isp and apologise for the comments knowing you are doing you
>> best, just letting you know some difficulties before they become a
>> large scale issue
>>
>>
>> Have A Happy Thursday !!!
>>
>> Thanks - Paul Kudla (Manager SCOM.CA Internet Services Inc.)
>>
>>
>> Scom.ca Internet Services <http://www.scom.ca>
>> 004-1009 Byron Street South
>> Whitby, Ontario - Canada
>> L1N 4S3
>>
>> Toronto 416.642.7266
>> Main 1.866.411.7266
>> Fax 1.888.892.7266
>> Email paul at scom.ca
>>
>> On 2024-01-02 8:55 a.m., asterisk-dev-bounces at lists.digium.com wrote:
>>> On 1/2/2024 5:55 AM, Joshua C. Colp wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 6:41 AM Paul Kudla <paul at scom.ca
>>>> <mailto:paul at scom.ca>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good morning
>>>>
>>>> Note I am unable to confirm my new email on the group because the
>>>> email
>>>> is using a blocked server ??
>>>>
>>>> mail19 01-02 05:35:51 {postfix.in <http://postfix.in>}
>>>> [63603] (1871410360) Jan 02
>>>> 05:35:51 mail19 postfix/smtpd[63603]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
>>>>
>>>> web01.groups.io <http://web01.groups.io>[66.175.222.12]: 454 4.7.1
>>>> Service unavailable; Client
>>>> host [66.175.222.12] blocked using
>>>>
>>>> bl.spamcop.net <http://bl.spamcop.net>; Blocked - see
>>>> https://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?66.175.222.12;
>>>>
>>>> from=<confirmbounce+8107350+4201506166695547482 at groups.io
>>>> <mailto:confirmbounce%2B8107350%2B4201506166695547482 at groups.io>>
>>>> to=<paul at scom.ca <mailto:paul at scom.ca>> proto=ESMTP
>>>>
>>>> helo=<mail01.groups.io <http://mail01.groups.io>>
>>>>
>>>> I did get the signup and also set my password but am unable to
>>>> proceed.
>>>>
>>>> SPAMCOP.NET <http://SPAMCOP.NET> is super flexible (ie will track
>>>> and update bad ip's on the
>>>> fly within 24 hours, so to land on this list means a server has
>>>> been
>>>> very very bad.
>>>>
>>>> let me know if i can help further.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't think either of us can really help. Looking at groups.io
>>>> <http://groups.io> posts this appears to happen sometimes, be it as
>>>> a remaining result of a Yahoo migration that occurred in the past or
>>>> from group admins adding email addresses for SpamCop spam traps in
>>>> some capacity.
>>>>
>>>> InterLinked: You previously stated that most lists you've been on
>>>> migrated to groups.io <http://groups.io>, has this been a problem
>>>> for them and if so how did they approach it (if at all)?
>>>
>>> I have to be on at least 2 or 3 dozen groups.io lists at this point
>>> and I've not really seen this be much of a problem. It haven't seen
>>> it on any of my lists with 100+ members or really heard about it on
>>> other lists. Occasionally, maybe a couple times a year, there are
>>> *bounces* and I know groups.io will auto unsubscribe users if it gets
>>> bounces to comply with email subscription policies and what not. I
>>> don't have any specific experience with SpamCop, that isn't a service
>>> I use on my mail servers.
>>>
>>> I think this is going to be inevitable to some extent with any hosted
>>> mailing list. groups.io has a pool of IPs that they use but obviously
>>> they are shared between lists. Digium has been self-hosting lists so
>>> it hasn't had to worry about this in the past.
>>>
>>> groups.io also has an online portal where you can register and manage
>>> groups, but that probably entails receiving an email at some point so
>>> you might run into the same issue there if you can't receive email.
>>>
>>> Can you add the sender to your "safe senders" lists? IMO email
>>> services that don't allow the spam rules to be overridden are
>>> fundamentally flawed, but I realize you may not have control over
>>> that or be able to switch services.
>>>
>>> It probably doesn't hurt to get in touch with the guy that runs
>>> groups.io, here: https://groups.io/helpcenter. I and others have
>>> reached out before for things and he's helpful and responsive.
>>>
>>
>
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