[Asterisk-Dev] UK Caller ID patch and new CVS

dking at pimpsoft.com dking at pimpsoft.com
Sat Jul 24 13:52:07 MST 2004 

On 23 Jul 2004 at 10:57, Dr. Rich Murphey wrote:

> Perhaps it's not a question of elegant code but rather quality and
> maintainability.  Once code goes in, those are real issues that take time
> and effort.

So your saying that a working solution is less valuable in the long run then the extra  amount of effort and ability it would take to use it? Granted quality of code _IS_ important, but sometimes getting something to work so that others may join the project is more so.

> I've seen technical integrity mistaken for dictatorship many times, and in
> the end the users suffer if it is replaced by political solutions.  Believe
> me, you would be far worse off if such decisions were in the hands of a
> populist rather than an software architect.

I actually happen to be both, the second in a professional capacity. So I understand that in some cases technical integrity has a hand in things, but when people do not know it is the case and have no other reason explained to them then  "so and so didn't want it added" it leaves the mind without any other option but to conclude dictatorship is the problem/reason; The project is in of itself a community and I have found it best to explian at least a little; Even Linus did it.

> As an open source project one has every opportunity to change the code, but
> in submitting code, one must be able to take responsibility for long term
> issues.

True that, but in taking the responsibility you say you will do your  
best to finish the end goal and provide working functionality; If 
functionality is lacking for such a large part of the world community 
how does one conclude the objective has been achieved?
 
> Please guys, focus on improving patches rather than asking the maintainers
> to lower standards.

Not lower, Higher. As I said Linus Himself explained his choices and asked for comments and ideas, why shouldn't these people do the same? Besides if we know why, threads like this never get formed and thus time is spent on the real problems at hand.
 
> Regards,
> Rich
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-dev-admin at lists.digium.com 
> > [mailto:asterisk-dev-admin at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of 
> > dking at pimpsoft.com
> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:50 PM
> > To: asterisk-dev at lists.digium.com
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Dev] UK Caller ID patch and new CVS
> > 
> > Yes I have.
> > 
> > The main problem I have is that if a patch can make things 
> > working in the short terms then why not add it? If a more 
> > elegant solution is found weeks later that patch can simply 
> > be taken out, either way the problem is solved,and  people 
> > are happy since the software 'just works' while digium gains 
> > a larger customer base since the hardware now works as 
> > expected and more people can then buy the hardware and use it.
> > 
> > I'm not even in the UK so that patch will not even help me at 
> > all, but I still think it a good idea; That has to say something.
> > 
> > 
> > On 22 Jul 2004 at 11:51, Richard Lyman wrote:
> > 
> > > it's obvious you never attempted to get a patch in the linux 
> > > kernel source!  someone HAS to 'govern' the code, else it's just 
> > > a pile of spagetti.
> > > 
> > > dking at pimpsoft.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The true nature of open source is defined as the source 
> > being available and open. Limiting the included code for the 
> > central offering based on someone's will because he thinks it 
> > will mean he can sell more hardware if he does not do so is 
> > not open source, its dictatorship. I find it very sad that 
> > based on my understanding asterisk will not include code that 
> > will help many people just because one person feels that to 
> > do so would hurt his companies profit margins, when the code 
> > is no doubt already available 
> > > > somewhere else or is needed by someone.
> > > > 
> > > > In the time I have watched this list even before I 
> > started posting I have seen much of this; Keep up the 
> > dictatorship of the central code repository and I guarantee 
> > you a branch of the source code will form within the next 3-6 
> > months. Not by me since I do not have the requisite 
> > understanding, but I believe it important to say here that if 
> > the open source community does not like the way digium or 
> > 'Mark' is doing things it will simply make them unnecessary 
> > for the project to go forward by cutting them out of 
> > the 
> > > > loop. And that perfectly acceptable from a legal 
> > standpoint since asterisk is after all GPL.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't mean to be cruel or annoying, I'm stating facts 
> > as I see them. If I am wrong or ignorant by all means tell 
> > me, but if it looks like this to me, how do you think it 
> > looks to the thousands of other people ghosting around this 
> > project and watching in the shadows as I once did?
> > > > 
> > > > Just a though.
> > > > 
> > > > On 22 Jul 2004 at 14:43, Chris Stenton wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >>Mark does not like the history buffer method  used. I 
> > think code will be
> > > >>included for the the fxo module at some point but not for 
> > the X100P.
> > > >>
> > > >>Chris.
> > > >>
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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