[Asterisk-Dev] The hardware codec integration

Tue Aug 19 06:25:07 MST 2003

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Cuh..Cuh..Cuh.. Can't we all just get along?  <weep!>

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As for your working for Quicknet, hey, that's great.  Take
your rant off this list and address the necessary parties
directly.  You're not helping your company's reputation by
mouthing off that some of the most esteemed developers on
the list are being pragmatic.  An incredibly small violin
plays for you!  If your company had half of the drive to
please it's customers as Jeremy has in angst, this
conversation would not be happening.

As for why *I'm* sullying the list by even posting this --
it seems as if in the last month there have been quite a
few border skirmishes on the list here, and I don't think
that's a very effective means of facilitating improvement. 
Just my two cents, but we are here to improve a product,
not to take stabs at each other because we do X or Y things
differently, or we have Z strong opinion on [A/B/C]
products.  

I go back to my hole now, waiting for the nuclear winter to
abate...

Pete

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From: asterisk-dev-admin at lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-dev-admin at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce Ferrell
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:08 AM
To: asterisk-dev at lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Dev] The hardware codec integration

As to who I am?  I'm a professional trying my damnedest to
get up to 
speed on this stuff.  My check depends on it.  What I've
gotten from 
"prime" movers is flat statements with no substantive
information to 
back them up.  Jeremy is not the only one.

Before it comes up, I do work for quicknet.  I've had my
own share of 
grief with those damn cards... Because no one will say out
loud what the 
problems are and what possible solutions might be.  I'm
tired of beating 
the same path that others have beaten.  None of us has all
of the 
answers.... Collectively, we have the ability to move VoIP
forward just 
like linux has moved forward.

This stuff is NOT, repeat NOT rocket science.  The hard
parts are the 
codecs and basically the government sold us all down the
river on that 
one.  H.323 and SIP are simple message passing protocols...
Nothing 
more.  This piece of hardware vs another?  It's just
hardware.  I'm just 
saying lets keep the rhetoric out of the process as much as
possible.

The even harder part is acknowledging when there is a
problem so it can 
be fixed.  The latest cisco loads are sending out
information in the 
H.323 call setup that's making stuff based on openh323
barf...  Reported 
yesterday on the list.  The information should be ignored
by openh323. 
Will it be fixed?  I know the attitude over there by the
"prime" movers 
is that cisco is always wrong so I don't know.

Is this really a problem?  Again I don't know.  When I ask
questions of 
"prime movers", I've gotten rhetoric and tirades, not
references and 
answers.  We're all in same camp (at least I think we
are... I might be 
wrong).  Can we all work together to makes this move
forward?  Can we 
bring new people into the fold?  I think it can be done. 
But not with 
"sound bites".

I've been in computers and telecommunication for over 20
years now... 
Linux for over 10 years.  I'm not new to cutting edge
stuff.  What's new 
to me in the arena is the withholding of information and
the nasty back 
stabbing I've been treated to in private conversations that
I won't 
publicize further.

And for you Brian, I'll ask the same question I posed for
Jeremy:  What 
exactly is wrong with the cards?  What generation of card
and what 
drivers?  You're right, it is an evolving area.  Is it the
version of 
card that you're having a problem with.  I know the
original driver 
sucked hugely.  It's been re-written and much better now.

Brian Capouch wrote:
> Bruce Ferrell wrote:
> 
>>
>> I, for one, am sick to death of the "strong
>> personalities" infesting VoIP.  I have yet to get a
>> straight answer from even one of the gurus  on what's
>> right and/or wrong.  I'm not interested in supporting
>> one  camp or another... One product or another... I want
>> to see all this  stuff work together.  Ethernet does...
>> Telephone stuff does.  VoIP  seems to be broken up into
>> little bitty fiefdoms of gurus trying to  make sure that
>> none of the others get's an edge and holding the 
>> community hostage.
>>
> 
> Jiminy Christmas, dude.
> 
> If I saw one of the other prime movers of VoIP software
> taking on one  of
> the others like you do here, I might consider the attack
> justified.  Who  are you?
> 
> Yes, there are a lot of strong personalities involved in
> VoIP, just  like
> there are a lot of strong personalities in many of the
> other areas of  emerging technology I try to keep up
> with.  It goes with the territory.  
> 
> My advice to you would be to take a chill pill for a few
> years.  Maybe you could do some ASP development, or
> better, get involved in  .NET--monopolistic  control of
> the technology means you won't have to  deal with the
> personalities, the uncertainty, the competing ideas in
> the  marketplace.  IMO you aren't cut out for this
> particular segment of the  industry.  Come back when all
> the fun is over, and the technology is as  mature as TDM
> or Ethernet.
> 
> BTW I have four Quicknet cards that I have been trying to
> use with various VoIP technologies over the last three
> years with only the most  modest degree of success. 
> Basically, they're overpriced junk.  
> 
> Why don't you support Asterisk, and buy Digium?
> 
> B.
> 
> 
> 
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