[asterisk-biz] DIDX Query

[Steve Totaro]

I said essentially the same thing in a few lines and get no credit.....

You Digium top poster!

On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Bryan M. Johns <bjohns at digium.com> wrote:
> Well put, Alex.  Thank you for taking the time to write it.
>
> Carry on. ;-)
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alex Balashov" <abalashov at evaristesys.com>
> To: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2010 2:56:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] DIDX Query
>
> On 11/04/2010 02:34 PM, Jorge Bellas wrote:
>
>> Make that +2. I've stopped using this list as a business tool. Too many
>> folks are shredded here for sport. It's become a spectacle. Hopefully, it
>> can recover and become useful once again.
>>
>> I'm half expecting someone to respond and criticize my grammar...
>
> It's not so bad.
>
> Most reasonable people here agree -- even if they don't express these
> sentiments publicly for a variety of reasons -- that the folks being
> "shredded" have done something to deserve it.  I'm judging from the
> plethora of private e-mail I receive saying, "I completely agree with
> your flame here, but I can't rock the boat with my employer by saying
> so myself."
>
> A "-biz" list should, as well as discouraging people from saying
> things to each other that they wouldn't say in real life on the one
> hand, also on the other hand acknowledge the blunt facts of
> "business," as it were.  Business has vicissitudes: there are very
> positive as well as intensely negative experiences, perceptions,
> strategies, technologies, etc.  Business is a profoundly interpersonal
> thing;  it directly concerns one's livelihood, directly impacts one's
> material well-being, and it is, at the end of the day, a thinly-veiled
> interaction of real people, with the full spectrum of thoughts and
> emotions that attends.
>
> Instituting a Compulsory Pleasantries Act won't change that.  What do
> you "only say positive things to each other!" people want?  To
> (metaphorically speaking) paint the room in warm, bright colours like
> yellow and orange and insist that everyone smile and be nice?  In
> Soviet psychiatric "hospitals" for political dissidents, this kind of
> paint job was said to consist of "aggressively cheerful colours."
>
> Contrary to the implicit allegations of self-appointed guardians of
> decorum here, _very few people_ are genuinely, earnestly negative for
> merely for the sake of being so.  Usually, people have a bone to pick
> for a reason, a reason  everyone can appreciate and empathise with if
> they listen.  Under the veneer of "negativity" is useful information
> and perspective, with all the utility as well as the limitations
> inherent in a single narrator.  Thus, it is not necessarily the case
> that negative feedback is, by definition, not "constructive."
>
> The debasement, cultural Third Worldisation, and used car salesmanship
> of the VoIP origination business presently being ascribed to DIDX in
> this thread is a real story, consisting of real thoughts by real
> people that is a useful data point from an empirical perspective.
> Everyone is, of course, free to make their own judgments and
> purchasing decisions.  However, there is clearly sufficient consensus
> around this angle on it that it's not just a figment of one
> disgruntled individual's imagination.
>
> As with anything, there are invariable excesses, of course, but
> there's some saying about heat and kitchens that speaks to that.
>
> In short, the value in "business"-themed lists, forums, etc. is to get
> the good, the bad, and the ugly, like any community.  That's part of
> the reason, I would surmise, why Digium has hitherto taken a hands-off
> role regarding requests to censor or moderate these lists.  It doesn't
> seem to me a good idea to tamper with the role played by all three of
> those elements of the discursive timbre.
>
> -- Alex
>
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