[asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE Careful
Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI)
vhatz at kinetix.gr
Sun Nov 15 11:08:17 CST 2009
Well, trade references, due diligence etc are usually OK, but since
these things refer to the past of a company, you never know when/if this
company which you just decided to get in business with decides to turn
to the "dark side"...
I mean future payments are not 100% guaranteed because of a good past.
Best regards,
Vlasis Hatzistavrou.
Wes Reece wrote:
> What about simply asking for trade references and due diligence on your
> potential customer?
>
>
> 2009/11/3 Vlasis Hatzistavrou (KTI) <vhatz at kinetix.gr
> <mailto:vhatz at kinetix.gr>>
>
> Of, course, the escrow agent has to actually do something more than just
> "guard" the money.
>
> Now there are escrow agencies which receive CDRs from both parties in
> real time or in bathes every few hours. So, in case of a dispute the
> escrow agent acts as a referee, too.
>
> Best regards,
> Vlasis Hatzistavrou.
>
>
> Mindaugas Kezys wrote:
> >>From our experience escrow is not good choice either. Other side
> can argue
> > that service was bad/unusable and you will not get paid for it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mindaugas Kezys
> > http://www.kolmisoft.com
> > VoIP Billing and Routing Solutions
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>] On Behalf Of Vlasis
> > Hatzistavrou (KTI)
> > Sent: 2009 m. lapkričio 2 d. 13:54
> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination - FRAUD- BE
> Careful
> >
> > Just my 2 cents: there are escrow, exchange & clearinghouse services
> > that one can use in order to secure business.
> >
> > Simple prepay/postpay nowadays is too dangerous, not only with
> small &
> > unknown operators but even with large & well known carriers. They too
> > will dispute just about anything...
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Vlasis Hatzistavrou.
> >
> >
> > Andy Spring wrote:
> >> Hi Dennis, first I am sorry to hear your bad news, but i can
> give you
> >> some suggestion, most of business men are trust parterns, only very
> >> little are frauds, yes, sometimes, it is very difficult to find
> out who
> >> is sincerely and who is not, but you can test them from a very small
> >> order starting after you have dealt many many small business
> >> succesfully, then start big orders or stop contact with them.
> >>
> >> 2009/11/2 <info at dialontel.com <mailto:info at dialontel.com>
> <mailto:info at dialontel.com <mailto:info at dialontel.com>>>
> >>
> >> Hi Andy and Everyone in this Forum,
> >>
> >> Of course Andy we are very Angry. Last Year in total we lost
> over
> >> 30K USD and Asia Telecom and BroadTelephone 3K USD invoice
> is part
> >> of it. This has effect our business process to do much more
> >> verification in giving post pay/prepay and it has become almost
> >> impossible find out who is geniune and who is not.
> >>
> >> Even though These two companies are registered in UK and USA its
> >> managed and owned by Pakistan guys (nothing personal to
> >> Pakistanies) so my point is we can not judge a company from
> where it
> >> is registered.
> >>
> >>
> >> So I bilieve most effective way to minimize frauds is to
> keep close
> >> contact with trusted partners and their frauds, so you can
> keep away
> >> from frauds.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Dennis S.
> >> DialOnTel Team
> >> <http://www.dialontel/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination -
> FRAUD- BE
> >> Careful
> >> From: Andy Spring <andyspr at gmail.com
> <mailto:andyspr at gmail.com> <mailto:andyspr at gmail.com
> <mailto:andyspr at gmail.com>>>
> >> Date: Sun, November 01, 2009 5:15 am
> >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> >> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> >> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>>>
> >>
> >> Haha... Maybe Dennis is very angry with them, but what
> make me
> >> suprised is that the frauds are from UK and USA, whose
> >> reputation are good and they also think themselves come with
> >> good reputation, but also rubbish
> >>
> >> 2009/10/31 <info at dialontel.com
> <mailto:info at dialontel.com> <mailto:info at dialontel.com
> <mailto:info at dialontel.com>>>
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> DO NOT sell any minutes to BroadTelepone or AsiaTelecom.
> >> They have a pending invoice to us for last 8 months 3000
> >> USD. Our company name is DialOnTel. we were seling
> India to
> >> them. These companies are fraud based in UK and USA.
> >> AsiaTelecom UK is currently on liquadation.
> >>
> >> Sikander - Director, Faruk -Tech guy never response
> to our
> >> calls or emails.
> >>
> >> DO NOT Give post pay to them.
> >>
> >> My name is Dennis from DialOnTel.
> >> dennis at dialontel.com <mailto:dennis at dialontel.com>
> <mailto:dennis at dialontel.com <mailto:dennis at dialontel.com>>
> >> info at dialontel.com <mailto:info at dialontel.com>
> <mailto:info at dialontel.com <mailto:info at dialontel.com>>
> >>
> >> Sikander if you see this email you are most welcome to
> >> contact me as you never response to our emials or calls.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> DialOnTel Team
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] India VoIP termination
> >> From: Sikander Saeed <sikander at asiatele.net
> <mailto:sikander at asiatele.net>
> >> <mailto:sikander at asiatele.net
> <mailto:sikander at asiatele.net>>>
> >> Date: Fri, October 30, 2009 4:04 pm
> >> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
> Discussion
> >> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> >> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>>>
> >>
> >> BroadTelephone is based in USA and involve in
> wholesale
> >> and retail VoIP services in USA, Canada and UK since
> >> last decade. We are looking for quality route to
> India.
> >> Our targets are:
> >>
> >> India 919 mobile $0.0110
> >> India 9194 $0.0125
> >> India ROC 91 $0.0150
> >> India Cities $0.0130
> >>
> >> Our daily traffic is about 25,000 minutes per day.
> >> Please let us know if you can provide such service.
> >>
> >> Sikander Saeed
> >> BroadTelephone, Inc.
> >> www.broadtelephone.com
> <http://www.broadtelephone.com> <http://www.broadtelephone.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mitul Limbani wrote:
> >>> Brian,
> >>>
> >>> So if I m correct this would be a one of retail
> customer
> > who needs to
> >>> call their indian partner company?
> >>>
> >>> Please email me in a bit more detail off the
> list, coz we
> > have helped
> >>> several US based companies optimize their
> communication
> > cost to their
> >>> indian counter part or indian offshore units.
> >>>
> >>> And I think we can help your customer too.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks & Regards,
> >>> Mitul Limbani,
> >>> Founder & CEO,
> >>> Enterux Solutions Pvt. Ltd.,
> >>> The Enterprise Linux Company (r),
> >>> http://www.enterux.com <http://www.enterux.com/>
> >>> http://www.entVoice.com <http://www.entvoice.com/>
> >>>
> >>> On 27-Oct-2009, at 7:30 AM, "Brian Franklin"
> > <bfranklin at ntginc.net <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net>>
> <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I have an executive that needs low cost
> minutes to a
> > partner firm in
> >>>> India. Clear calls and low cost is the
> primary concern.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>
> > <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>>
> >>>> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com>] On Behalf
> > Of mtlvoip
> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 8:48 PM
> >>>> To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
> Discussion
> >>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] USA to India
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> with what kind of features and in which level
> of price
> > are your
> >>>> looking
> >>>>
> >>>> for?
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------
> >>>> From: "Brian Franklin" <bfranklin at ntginc.net
> <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net>>
> > <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net <mailto:bfranklin at ntginc.net>>
> >>>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:32 PM
> >>>> To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk
> > Discussion"
> >>>> <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>>
> > <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> <mailto:asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>>
> >>>> Subject: [asterisk-biz] USA to India
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Looking for quality international SIP
> > termination...particularly to
> >>>>> India.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any suggestions?
> >>>>>
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