[asterisk-biz] Suggest Multi-tenant Predictive Dialer ?

Alex Balashov abalashov at evaristesys.com
Wed Jun 17 06:24:27 CDT 2009


Hey Nir,

I wasn't trying to sell you anything.  Besides, I don't have anything to 
sell you.

I was rather trying to help shape the conceptual integrity of the 
discussion.

-- Alex

Nir Simionovich wrote:

> Well,
> 
>   Actually, I'm no longer looking for anything - as I've developed an 
> API dialer for this
> company, which they activate utilizing a CRM event side (the CRM is 
> their own development).
> You can check out the idea behind the dialer at 
> http://www.greenfieldtech.net
> 
>   In addition, I can also grant people a sandbox account to test the 
> dialer and see how it
> works for them. Currently, it's operating on a P3 750Mhz based sandbox, 
> but that doesn't
> stop it from generating around 30 calls every second.
> 
> Nir S
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Alex Balashov 
> <abalashov at evaristesys.com <mailto:abalashov at evaristesys.com>> wrote:
> 
>     It sounds like what you're really looking for is a blended call center
>     with a fairly naive iterative dialer-;  in other words, something that
>     is aware of both inbound and outbound calls, and looks at the agents as
>     simultaneously capable of being ordinary users.
> 
>     It would only initiate outbound dials here and there on a certain
>     schedule (so the agents can work part of the day on closings and part of
>     the day on the dialer), or initiate outbound dials on behalf of agents
>     only when they are detected to have a certain period of inactivity.  No
>     "predictive" modeling.
> 
>     Nir Simionovich wrote:
> 
>      > Hi Steve,
>      >
>      > The basic problem with my customer is, if I would like to be more
>     exact,
>      > the way the agent work. The agents are trained to be both agents and
>      > closers, which means, once the customer is interested they also close
>      > the deal. Now, they are trained to remain on the phone, till a full
>      > billing cycle had been completed - and there lay the problem. It may
>      > take anywhere from 20 minutes to 60 minutes, in other words,
>     there is no
>      > clear statistic. In addition, we've tried analyzing the
>     statistics for a
>      > single location dialed (meaning a single country/city in the
>     world), the
>      > statistics were way off base, simply not allowing us to utilize a
>      > predictive dialer in an efficient manner.
>      >
>      > All I'm saying is this: A predictive dialer is not an all
>     "Automagical"
>      > solution that will solve all your call center problems -
>     sometimes, it's
>      > not worth the hassle - and a different approach should be applied.
>      >
>      > I've seen all too many cases where a consultant would come in, the
>      > customer will say "Predictive", the consultant wanting to please the
>      > customer will say "Predictive" - even when it's not really
>     needed. There
>      > is the right tool for the right job. I don't try screwing in a
>     bolt with
>      > a hammer, just as I don't try hammering a nail with a screwdriver.
>      >
>      >
>      > Steve Totaro wrote:
>      >> I fail to see how integrating with an existing CRM/ERP enhances an
>      >> outbound dialing campaign unless the missing target in your example
>      >> were existing contacts/customers.
>      >>
>      >> I am all for CRM integration to the fullest amount possible for
>      >> automation and trending.
>      >>
>      >> However, I fail to see how integration rectifies the "no specific
>      >> destination, no specific sale pattern and no specific customer
>      >> pattern." lack of info.
>      >>
>      >> That is, unless those three variables are already contained in
>     the CRM
>      >> database, in which case, could simply be parsed, exported and then
>      >> imported into any dialer and a campaign fire up at an appropriate
>      >> time.
>      >>
>      >> Would that not accomplish what your solution does?
>      >>
>      >> Now as far as call center utilization, if they are under utilized
>      >> after doing the above, a predictive dialer is a fine solution.
>      >>
>      >> Simply figure out how many agents the first campaign is going to
>      >> require, then create another campaign with targeted lists.  A true
>      >> "predictive" dialer would take care of blending your agents and your
>      >> campaigns "automagically".
>      >>
>      >> Where were they buying their lists from?  I fail to see how any
>      >> business could not fill in the three variables you mention.  It is
>      >> called demographics, and any list/lead provider understands this, so
>      >> should the CEO.
>      >>
>      >> Was you customer just entering a linear sequence of numbers or
>     something?
>      >>
>      >> Thanks,
>      >> Steve
>      >>
>      >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Nir
>      >> Simionovich<nir.simionovich at gmail.com
>     <mailto:nir.simionovich at gmail.com>> wrote:
>      >>> Well,
>      >>>
>      >>>   Judging from my current experience with call centers and
>     dialers, I can
>      >>> say the following: Predictive Dialer is a term thrown around
>     all too easily
>      >>> lately. A customer of mine, a call center that has over 200
>     seats, had ran
>      >>> into a situation where they were required to utilize
>      >>> an automatic dialer.
>      >>>
>      >>>   The company CEO had read in some magazine that a predictive
>     dialer will
>      >>> increase the call center utilization and will generate more
>     sales. Having
>      >>> thought that, they went off and integrated a predictive dialer.
>     Surprisingly
>      >>> enough, the call center utilization didn't go up, it actually
>     went down! The
>      >>> call center actually lost money by utilizing a predictive
>     dialer. The
>      >>> company that integrated the dialer said: "Well, we still don't
>     have enough
>      >>> statistics, the system needs to accumulate more data, etc, etc,
>     etc" - what
>      >>> a load of bull! They simply neglected the basic fact about the
>     call center -
>      >>> it's an outbound call center, with no specific destination, no
>     specific sale
>      >>> pattern and no specific customer pattern - in other words, 3 of the
>      >>> variables a predictive dialer relies upon to become
>     "predictive" are simply
>      >>> not there - so, the results are WAY OFF!
>      >>>
>      >>>   As a result, the customer dropped the predictive dialer and
>     integrated my
>      >>> company Dialer XML-RPC framework. This framework enables you
>     have full
>      >>> control of each and every call made by the dialer. The added
>     value is the
>      >>> integration of the dialer into your existing customer CRM/ERP
>     platform,
>      >>> thus, you can get a highly performance optimized environment -
>     no matter
>      >>> what your sale pattern is - simply because the dialer doesn't
>     care what the
>      >>> pattern is - it is agnostic to it. If you'd like, I'll be happy
>     to setup a
>      >>> short demo for you to use and test, and you'll see for yourself
>     that
>      >>> utilizing this framework can get your customers a better
>     service than a
>      >>> plain predictive dialer.
>      >>>
>      >>>   A wise man once said: "When the only tool you have is a
>     hammer, all
>      >>> problems look like nails" - same concept applies here - "If the
>     only thing
>      >>> you have is a predictive dialer, all problems appear to be
>     statistical".
>      >>> Each call center is different, the sale cycle and agent training is
>      >>> different - thus, there is no single solution that is perfect
>     for all.
>      >>>
>      >>> Cheers,
>      >>>    Nir Simionovich
>      >>>
>      >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Alistair Cunningham
>      >>> <acunningham at integrics.com <mailto:acunningham at integrics.com>>
>     wrote:
>      >>>> To clarify my last message, the next version of Enswitch will
>     include an
>      >>>> outbound bulk dialer where each customer will have their own
>     interface
>      >>>> to manage campaigns and upload lists of numbers. This will all be
>      >>>> integrated with billing, LCR, invoicing, etc.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> It will NOT however have predictive features in the next
>     version. It
>      >>>> will simply make calls up to a pre-defined maximum concurrent
>     calls
>      >>>> limit. Predictive features may come in a later version,
>     depending on
>      >>>> customer demand.
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Alistair Cunningham
>      >>>> +1 888 468 3111
>      >>>> +44 20 799 39 799
>      >>>> http://integrics.com/
>      >>>>
>      >>>>
>      >>>> Alistair Cunningham wrote:
>      >>>>> Kashif,
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> The next version of Enswitch (due in August) will include
>     this in the
>      >>>>> base product. It will be a free upgrade for existing customers.
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Alistair Cunningham
>      >>>>> +1 888 468 3111
>      >>>>> +44 20 799 39 799
>      >>>>> http://integrics.com/
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>> Kashif Naeem wrote:
>      >>>>>> Hello All,
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> We have a requirement of multi-tenant Predictive Dialer
>     which we can
>      >>>>>> sell to
>      >>>>>> multiple call centers. Each call center will have saperate
>     interface
>      >>>>>> for
>      >>>>>> setting up campaigns and Reporting. Please suggest some
>     solution or
>      >>>>>> let us
>      >>>>>> know if have it to sell ?
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> Regards,
>      >>>>>> Kashif Naeem
>      >>>>>> Business Development Manager
>      >>>>>> Hadi Telecom
>      >>>>>> www.haditelecom.com <http://www.haditelecom.com>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> Cell: +92 (0)345 4226006
>      >>>>>> Office: +92 (0)42 5692766
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> Email: kashif at haditelecom.com <mailto:kashif at haditelecom.com>
>      >>>>>> MSN: kashif__naeem at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:kashif__naeem at hotmail.com>
>      >>>>>> Gmail: meet.kashif at gmail.com <mailto:meet.kashif at gmail.com>
>      >>>>>> Skype: kashif.naeem
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> 302 Y Commercial Area, 2nd Floor DHA Lahore, Pakistan.
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>
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