[asterisk-biz] ANI

[Bill Michaelson]

Miles Scruggs wrote:
> On May 11, 2008, at 2:20 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>   
>> Since when did the big boys not eventually get what they want from the
>> government?
>>
>>
>>     
>>> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Alex Balashov
>>>       
>>>> Bill Michaelson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Miles Scruggs wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> `
>>>>>> Welcome to IP baby, you really can't lock it down using the
>>>>>> traditional methods.  As much as you would like to think that the
>>>>>> entity converting the IP to PSTN should/would/could/does correctly
>>>>>> specify the absolute correct ANI/CID it is quite the opposite on a
>>>>>> large scale.  Unless someone dreams up a new way to enforce or
>>>>>> efficiently verify CID/ANI and the big boys actually implement  
>>>>>> it this
>>>>>> isn't likely to change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Digital signatures?  a la RSA?
>>>>>           
>>>> Clever, agile, and very ingenious and all-around open-source  
>>>> affirmative
>>>> of you.  But you might have missed the "big boys actually  
>>>> implement it"
>>>> part.  :-)
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Well a government mandate would make the "Big Boys actually  
>>> implement it."
>>>
>>> Let me spoof NSA with DHS ANI and visa versa using WiFi and a hacked
>>> asterisk box.
>>>
>>> E911 was mandated and is semi functional, the government just has to
>>> step in.  They only step in when there are votes on the line or money
>>> (and occasionally public safety, usually for PR reasons)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Steve Totaro
>>>       
>
> I don't get why you or anyone thinks we need a solution to this.
It's a discussion of possibilities. That's all.
>   Just  
> because something has capacity for exploitation doesn't mean we need  
> the government to step in and define an implementation that removes  
> the exploitation.  Someone else on this list is convinced that there  
> are existing laws against it with penalties (I assume) for violation.   
> This is pretty standard for any offenses against others: theft assault  
> murder etc.  Asking the government to solve this issue, and enforce a  
> solution would be like wanting them to enforce your ISP to check all  
> emails leaving their clients to ensure they are actually coming from  
> their subscribers.  Looks great on paper, and sure it would cut down  
> on spam, but are you ready to bend over and take that up the.....
>
> Dear god am I the only person on this list who thinks the government  
> (especially the US gov) is the last entity that we want solving issues  
> and enforcing implementations? 
Why do you feel so alone? Take a breath. Relax. Now read the thread 
again, carefully. There are a variety of suggestions and ideas, few 
conclusions, and your inferences about people's positions are overblown.
>  I know they have great track record  
> and are really good at that sort of thing......  Leave them exactly  
> where they are good at.  Defining when it is wrong, and giving those  
> that don't obey the smack down, but please don't go inviting them into  
> play big brother.
>
> Miles
>
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