[asterisk-biz] Unlimited DID

Thu Aug 14 14:35:35 CDT 2008

You should emulate JunctionNetworks.

I have "unlimited" SIP concurrent calls but they were very clear that
I must only initiate one call per second if I were to do a "call
blast" due to call setup issues with Asterisk.

They also made it very clear not to saturate a geographical area since
they have limited ingress/egress especially in a tight area.  I am not
sure if this is documented anywhere but it was party of the sales
cycle with Tim at Junction.

I will tell you this.  It was refreshing to get real answers since I
know about the issues and problems that he was speaking of.  Anyone
that that tries to tell me something really is "unlimited" in all
regards either thinks I am a fool or they are the fool.

Junction certainly is not the cheapest by far but having the
limitations explained to me, showed me that they were not trying to BS
me and knew what they were doing.  Had they just said, yeah, it is
totally unlimited, I would have looked elsewhere.

Knowing that they understand the limitations and were very upfront and
honest, justified paying a premium and I been extremely happy.  LNP
took something like two days.  Call quality is great, and Tim is in
regular contact to see how I am doing and if I have any questions or
complaints.  How many providers go out looking for complaints and
trouble tickets?

Thanks,
Steve Totaro

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Jai Rangi <jprangi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Issues like? Can you please give an example?  Definitely we would like to
> work around all those issues.
>
> -Jai
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:48 AM, Joe Antkowiak <jantkowiak at netigent.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> just because you don't deal with the pstn directly, doesn't mean you won't
>> have
>> issues with the pstn.
>>
>> Jai Rangi wrote:
>> > Trixter,
>> > Thank you for your comments,
>> > We are not dealing with PSTN on our side, we are true VoIP.
>> > Re: Bandwidth, we have upto 100mb. Yes we WILL NOT be doing any media on
>> > our
>> > network which is real bandwidth killer.  Re: cpu and and other limits we
>> > have built our system on horizontal scalable architecture, fully
>> > redundant
>> > and load balanced system, that includes firewall, SIP router, Asterisk
>> > servers, Database servers etc.
>> >
>> > During our crash test, my server was sleeping until 2500 channels. So I
>> > am
>> > not really worried upto 5000 channels and from there I can easily expand
>> > my
>> > capacity. Our target is to do the expansion as soon as we reach the
>> > 40-50%
>> > utilization of the resources. For companies who has more that 200
>> > channels
>> > on each DID I think it will be worth for them to deal directly with
>> > Lavel3,
>> > XO, Quest or Verizon directly.
>> >
>> > Yes, I agree that every unlimited has a limit in terms of capacity and
>> > resources and we are not exception. But I am positive that we can be
>> > good
>> > resource for small to mid size businesses.
>> >
>> > -Jai
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel <
>> > trixter at 0xdecafbad.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 09:47 -0700, Jai Rangi wrote:
>> >>> All,
>> >>>
>> >>> I want to take community opinion on this.
>> >>> Would there be enough interest if I can offer Unlimited channels, non
>> >>> metered DID at $8-$11 (Depending on the volume commitment) per month.
>> >>> Target is to sell atleast 10000 DIDs in one to 2 months of time
>> >>> frame.
>> >>>
>> >>> Any comment would be appreciated.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> -Jai
>> >>>
>> >> I think people would like it, but there would be some apprehension
>> >> about
>> >> it.  The pstn carrier has a finite amount of channels available for
>> >> that
>> >> exchange.  You only have so much bandwidth, even if you never touched
>> >> the media the provider only has so much bandwidth.  Then there is the
>> >> CDR processing, route processing, etc - cpu resources are finite,
>> >> although you can add more just like you can add more pstn and inet
>> >> capacity.
>> >>
>> >> So would $8-11 cover all of those costs and allow you to really do
>> >> unlimited service?  What if someone ran some application that generated
>> >> hundreds of thousands of calls?  Or even a few that just did hundreds?
>> >>
>> >> Granted if you did 10k DIDs at $8 that is $80k/mo.  And lets say that
>> >> 10% did above average traffic of say 150 average channels, that is
>> >> still
>> >> 15,000 channels that would have to be maintained give or take (I really
>> >> am just pulling numbers out of thin air).  You would certainly be able
>> >> to afford the cpu and bandwidth costs, which will require more than
>> >> 1Gbps (I always discount bandwidth both because of atm padding and
>> >> because you never want it 100%), but the carrier may not be able to
>> >> handle that channel load, and some of the call centers I have seen
>> >> traffic on, 150 channels is low, some do thousands at a time, which
>> >> would skew that slightly (even though its an average over the top 10%
>> >> users).
>> >>
>> >> In general from what I have seen, most "unlimited" plans have some type
>> >> of limit burried somewhere in their user agreement/tos, this is because
>> >> capacity is finite and they do not want to go overboard with capacity
>> >> and lose money.  On a slight tangent, I just wish that carriers who
>> >> didnt offer real unlimited would stop advertising it as such, * or not
>> >> to indicate some obscure definition of "unlimited"...
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com     Bret McDanel
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>> >> http://www.trxtel.com the phone company that pays you!
>> >>
>> >>
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