[Asterisk-biz] 911 relief?

Harry McGregor hmcgregor at espri.arizona.edu
Fri Nov 4 12:47:46 MST 2005 

On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 14:03 -0500, Matt wrote:
> This is correct.   Even if a VoIP provider has E911, alot of the
> country does not have E911.   We have implimented our 911 solution as
> follows:
> 
> If we were going to go nationwide, which we are considering, we will
> go with Intrado, most likely.
> However, for the time being, we are only servicing a 7 county region
> in Pennsylvania.  We worked with our phone company to give us a
> Centrix line which allows a pre-dial 911 digit.
> 
> So.
> 1911 - Lycoming County
> 2911 - Montour County
> 3911 - Lackawanna County
> etc, etc, etc

Sounds reasonable for a fixed line replacement.

> When someone signs up for service they have to fil out their E911
> address before we will let them use the device.. and if they try to
> use the device before filling it out they get a recording saying they
> can't use it until they fill it out!

What happens if they move the device and don't update the E911 address?
What happens if they take the device with them on the road?  Do you lock
it to an IP address, or range of addresses?

> So... when they fill the address out, they select their county.
> 
> Now, if they dial 911.. they dial "911".. we lookup the county they
> are in, and pre-pend the county ID before 911.. so someone in Lycoming
> County dials 911.. we lookup see "1" and dial 1911, which goes to the
> Lycoming County PSAP.
> 
> We are doing E911 address updates through a company called 911etc
> (www.911etc.com).
> 
> If a customer where to travel outside the available E911 coverage
> area, we will give them a message, when they update their address,
> that they can not use the service out there, and turn their device off
> until they update their address and move back into an area where we
> can service them with E911.

What if they put in a fake address?  I feel that a lot of the work being
done to support E911 on consumer, portable, VoIP just leads to a false
sense of security.  Will you be liable for the missed emergency call, or
the incorrect dispatch of emergency response personnel to the fake
address?  What kind of legal recourse do you have with the customer who
supplied the incorrect/fake information?

E911 on an enterprise/corp voip deployment, using fixed locations is one
thing, but E911 when you don't control the end device is problematic at
best.

			Harry

> This works for us, and probably for many other small VoIP providers. 
> As I said, when we get bigger we will definately probably be looking
> into Intrado, especially if we take things nationwide.
> 
> On 11/4/05, Robert Wolpov <rob at junctionnetworks.com> wrote:
> > Thanks Matt. I will make sure to start my own threads in the future.  What
> > company are you from?  I am interested to learn how you have implemented
> > e911.  My understanding is that only about 10% of the entire country can
> > actually have e911 in its truest form.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Matt" <mhoppes at gmail.com>
> > To: "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
> > <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 12:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] 911 relief?
> >
> >
> > > Yes,
> > > First it means don't hijack other people's threads, start your own.
> > >
> > > Second, if this goes through, it will mean that irresponsible VoIP
> > > providers will be starting up , and the consumer will be in danger if
> > > they do not research the situation.   While it is good, in my opinion
> > > to not pressure the VoIP providers into the E911 compliance, I believe
> > > there should be E911 on VoIP.
> > >
> > > It's really a 50/50 for me.  As a VoIP provider, we provide true E911
> > > for the customers, and I believe all VoIP providers should offer E911
> > > or at least some form of 911.
> > >
> > > On 11/2/05, Robert Wolpov <rob at junctionnetworks.com> wrote:
> > >> It appears the Senate has approved a bill that would provide relief from
> > >> the
> > >> November 28th deadline.
> > >>
> > >> http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1035_22-5929173.html
> > >>
> > >> Any thoughts on what this means?
> > >>
> > >> -Rob
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Rehan Ahmed AllahWala - Super Technologies I" <rehan at supertec.com>
> > >> To: <TGibson at TGItelecom.com>
> > >> Cc: <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:17 PM
> > >> Subject: [Asterisk-biz] Looking for 415 & 212 DIDs
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Ted,
> > >> >
> > >> > We have now Taledo, Ohio did's with UNLIMTED incoming, from provider
> > >> > and
> > >> > 5000
> > >> > mins limit from didx and .001 cent a min after 5000 mins.
> > >> >
> > >> > Price of the did is 1.5$ a month 1$ setup fee.
> > >> >
> > >> > We will have same price next week for Iowa did's also.
> > >> >
> > >> > Rehan
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > ------- Forwarded message follows -------
> > >> > From:           "Ted Gibson" <tgibson at TGItelecom.com>
> > >> > To:             "Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion"
> > >> > <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
> > >> > Subject:        RE: [Asterisk-biz] Looking for 415 & 212 DIDs
> > >> > Date sent:      Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:43:25 -0800
> > >> > Send reply to:  TGibson at TGItelecom.com,
> > >> > Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
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> > >> >
> > >> > I'm interested in your for free incoming DIDs
> > >> > Please send rates and NPA\ NXX ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Thank you
> > >> >
> > >> > Ted Gibson
> > >> > TGI Telecom
> > >> > (c) 925.366.9155
> > >> > (f) 815 425 0941
> > >> > e: tgibson at tgitelecom.com
> > >> > im: tgibson at tgitelecom.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com
> > >> > [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of Mark
> > >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:16 PM
> > >> > To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
> > >> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Looking for 415 & 212 DIDs
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I can give you pricing, I just need to know if you need like one or
> > >> > ten.
> > >> > Please specify quantities.
> > >> >
> > >> > Mark
> > >> > Supernettel.com
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Jason Becker wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Please reply offline if you can provide a flat-fee monthly plan with
> > >> >> 415 & 212 (preferred) DIDs with:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - unlimited incoming minutes
> > >> >> - unlimited inbound channels
> > >> >>
> > >> >> SIP or IAX.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Regards,
> > >> >>
> > >> >
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