[Asterisk-biz] RE: Asterisk-Biz Digest, Vol 11, Issue 16
Charlie Osstyn
charlie at osstyn.demon.co.uk
Sat Jun 4 10:02:18 MST 2005
Broken software my server runs all version of .NET 1.0 1.1 2.0 installs ok
then spits out a casting error I think they want only us dates in this
application lol don't work in the UK astricon EMEA well with US only dates,
don't think so ......
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1. Re: Re: Truly Unlimited DID's (smbPBX)
2. Re: IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test (smbPBX)
3. Re: IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test (Steven M. Sokol)
4. RE: IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test (Rusty Shackleford)
5. RE: E911 VoIP Solution - Dash911 (Rusty Shackleford)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:36:46 -0400
From: smbPBX <smbpbx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] Re: Truly Unlimited DID's
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
<asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
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Matt:
I agree with Lee's last comment. It is the choice of the word "screwed" It
is a business model decision and you may decide not to offer that model.
One more point: I find most "unlimited" offerrings to be deceptive even if
they disclose it in fine print in their TOS. I must say that I have found
some that explain "unlimited" very clearly on the same page.
Kanti
On 6/3/05, Lee Barken <barken at rohan.sdsu.edu> wrote:
>
> hi Matt,
> I simply object to the term "screwed". I don't object at all if I pay
> for an "unlimited" soup and salad bar and I only eat one plate.
> Restaurants that use the "all you can eat" model have some profitable
> customers and some unprofitable customers. That's how their business
> model operates. I understand your point and I appreciate your ethical
> approach that you don't want to take advantage of customers. I simply
> questioned the use of the term "screwed".
>
> Best,
> -Lee
>
>
>
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Matthew Simpson wrote:
>
> > > From: Lee Barken <barken at rohan.sdsu.edu>
> > >
> > > hi Matt,
> > > I understand your concern and subsequent logic regarding unlimited
> > > services. My only comment is that business people take *risks*.
> > > Hopefully, the are calculated risks. When a provider sells an
> unlimited
> > > service, they are assuming the risk that the transaction may be
> > > unprofitable. I don't think anybody is getting "screwed" in this
> > > situation.
> >
> > You're not getting the point. Sure you can say that it is the provider
> > taking the risk that they can screw their customer by selling them an
> > unlimited service that costs more than if they bought it metered. But
> > somebody is STILL GETTING SCREWED [the customer]. Personally I don't
> like
> > doing business in which I am screwing a customer, even if my "risk" pays
> off
> > and I end up better off for it.
> >
> > > Either the venture is profitable or unprofitable. It reminds
> > > me of companies like AOL or Netzero who offer "unlimited" Internet
> access.
> > > Over time, these companies become very good at estimating the
> aggregate
> > > usage patterns of many thousands of users.
> >
> > No, they don't offer "unlimited". They ADVERTISE unlimited but you'll
> find
> > that if you leave your connection up 24/7 you'll get bumped off after a
> 4
> > hour period, and after a while you'll either hit a hard limit, or you'll
> be
> > forced to upgrade to a higher class of service. We sell dialup wholesale
> at
> > TxLink, and everyone last one of our clients that offers "unlimited" to
> > their end-users has a hard-limit set in their backoffice, and most of
> them
> > have 4 hour session timers [some are generous and give 8].
> >
> > > Sure, some customers will use
> > > more services and some customers will use less services, but the idea
> is
> > > to price your offer accordly, such that the net result is a profitable
> > > enterprise. If a company does a poor job of estimating and projecting
> > > usage patterns, my hope is that they will not feel "screwed", but
> instead
> > > just take some time to review their planning policies and procedures
> and
> > > take appropriate and reasonable corrective actions.
> >
> > So it's okay as long as the company makes out okay, you don't care that
> the
> > consumer is getting screwed in that case?
> >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > -Lee
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 22:41:32 -0400
From: smbPBX <smbpbx at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test
To: ssokol at sokol-associates.com, Commercial and Business-Oriented
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When released, is this going to be an open source or you are going to charge
for it?
On 6/3/05, Steven Sokol <ssokol at sokol-associates.com> wrote:
>
> IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test
>
> Sokol & Associates is pleased to announce an open beta test of the new
> IAX Phone Pro. IAX Phone Pro is a professional grade IAX soft phone
> designed for use with the Asterisk open source PBX.
>
> Among the new and improved features:
>
> - Dial/answer/hold/recall/reject
> - Multi-number advanced speed dial.
> - Standard and innovative "Tool Bar" skins.
> - Handles "iax:", "sip:" and "tel:" URLs
> - Integrated web browser for "co-browsing"
> - Integrated call recording and playback.
> - Advanced phone book with CSV import.
> - Advanced call log with CSV export.
> - Speaker Phone
> - Audio mute.
> - Auto answer.
> - Intercom calling with password.
> - Multi-server registration.
> - Audio Codecs: uLaw, aLaw, GSM, iLBC, Speex.
> - Server-by-server codec setting.
> - Call statistics.
> - Local or server-side call forwarding.
> - Local or server-side do-not-disturb.
> - TAPI integration for Outlook, ACT, Goldmine, etc.
> - Direct IP to IP calling
> - Dial by IAX or SIP URI (URL)
>
> This is a time-limited version of the full product. Some features which
> are still under development have been disabled. Updates will be
> provided as those features are implemented. Please download the phone
> and let us know what you think.
>
> IAX Phone currently supports the Microsoft Windows family of operating
> systems. A Mac OS X system may be developed depending on interest.
>
> DOWNLOAD IAX PHONE PRO: http://www.astricon.net/phone/ipbeta.php
>
> To see a live demo of IAX Phone Pro, drop by the Ipsando booth at
> AstriCon Europe!
>
> http://www.astricon.net/europe
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:53:21 -0500
From: "Steven M. Sokol" <ssokol at sokol-associates.com>
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-biz] IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test
To: smbPBX <smbpbx at gmail.com>, Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk Discussion <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
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> When released, is this going to be an open source or you are going to
charge
> for it?
Both, actually. There will always be a free version of IAX Phone (which
will be based on the re-written code in the beta) but some of the enterprise
features I have included in the beta will be available only in the
commercial version. That seems a fair way to both add to the community and
still feed the fam.
Thanks,
Steve
>
> On 6/3/05, Steven Sokol <ssokol at sokol-associates.com> wrote:
> >
> > IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test
> >
> > Sokol & Associates is pleased to announce an open beta test of the new
> > IAX Phone Pro. IAX Phone Pro is a professional grade IAX soft phone
> > designed for use with the Asterisk open source PBX.
> >
> > Among the new and improved features:
> >
> > - Dial/answer/hold/recall/reject
> > - Multi-number advanced speed dial.
> > - Standard and innovative "Tool Bar" skins.
> > - Handles "iax:", "sip:" and "tel:" URLs
> > - Integrated web browser for "co-browsing"
> > - Integrated call recording and playback.
> > - Advanced phone book with CSV import.
> > - Advanced call log with CSV export.
> > - Speaker Phone
> > - Audio mute.
> > - Auto answer.
> > - Intercom calling with password.
> > - Multi-server registration.
> > - Audio Codecs: uLaw, aLaw, GSM, iLBC, Speex.
> > - Server-by-server codec setting.
> > - Call statistics.
> > - Local or server-side call forwarding.
> > - Local or server-side do-not-disturb.
> > - TAPI integration for Outlook, ACT, Goldmine, etc.
> > - Direct IP to IP calling
> > - Dial by IAX or SIP URI (URL)
> >
> > This is a time-limited version of the full product. Some features which
> > are still under development have been disabled. Updates will be
> > provided as those features are implemented. Please download the phone
> > and let us know what you think.
> >
> > IAX Phone currently supports the Microsoft Windows family of operating
> > systems. A Mac OS X system may be developed depending on interest.
> >
> > DOWNLOAD IAX PHONE PRO: http://www.astricon.net/phone/ipbeta.php
> >
> > To see a live demo of IAX Phone Pro, drop by the Ipsando booth at
> > AstriCon Europe!
> >
> > http://www.astricon.net/europe
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Asterisk-Biz mailing list
> > Asterisk-Biz at lists.digium.com
> > http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-biz
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> smbPBX
>
Steven M. Sokol
Sokol & Associates, LLC
www.sokol-associates.com
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:01:00 -0700
From: "Rusty Shackleford" <john97 at flatline.com>
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test
To: <ssokol at sokol-associates.com>, "'Commercial and Business-Oriented
Asterisk Discussion'" <asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of
> Steven Sokol
> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 6:50 PM
> To: Asterisk User List; asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
> Subject: [Asterisk-biz] IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test
>
>
> IAX Phone Pro - Open Beta Test
The installation routine insists that I downgrade to version 1.1 of the
.Net framework.
Let's see... I have to use an older, more broken version of Microsoft
software in order to use this product?
No thanks.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 21:06:15 -0700
From: "Rusty Shackleford" <john97 at flatline.com>
Subject: RE: [Asterisk-biz] E911 VoIP Solution - Dash911
To: "'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion'"
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Please clarify...
> When a call comes in,
"...Comes in...", WHERE?
> a simple HTTP request is sent to
> our servers,
Sent by...?
> and the reply will contain the 10-digit number +
> caller ID to set.
WHAT "10-digit number"?
What do you mean by " + caller ID to set"?
> From there, you simply use your current
> PSTN connection.
Simply use it... how? In what manner? I don't HAVE a PSTN connection. I
use VOIP. Now what?
> We chose this path because it has "less
> moving parts", and is far easier for our customers to
> implement than having to SIP to different endpoints. As well,
If you say so.
Pretend that we don't have the slightest idea of the topology that you
are envsioning your service operating over, and explain it again,
please.
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