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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=SV link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Its just that it seems so unrealistic.. WHAT do you need 1M DID’s for? Give each stone in your company driveway a own phone number?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>1M DID’s = Thats 10% of the population of the country I live in. (sweden)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>1M DID’s is also three times more than the amount of customers the phone operator ”tre” ( <a href="https://www.tre.se">https://www.tre.se</a> ) has in sweden, one of sweden’s largest phone operators, they are 4th the largest phone operator. (1: Telia, 2: Tele2, 3: Telenor, 4: Tre)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Then you understand why I wonder WTF people are doing… <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Best regards, Sebastian Nielsen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><b>Från:</b> asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com <asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com> <b>För </b>dk@donkelly.biz<br><b>Skickat:</b> den 12 mars 2021 03:14<br><b>Till:</b> 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' <asterisk-users@lists.digium.com><br><b>Ämne:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><span lang=EN-US>You said it in your first post when you said “</span>I reallt don’t understand.” You don’t understand the business that these people are in. A few people showed you a few examples of why it’s important to use more than one carrier--and there are other reasons that stir/shaken is a big deal for some of us.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'>It clearly isn’t a big deal for you, so you probably don’t have much to add to the discussion.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'>--Don<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><b><span lang=EN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US> asterisk-users <<a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sebastian Nielsen<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Mailing List' <<a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'>1: 1M DID’s? Then I would go straight out and say you are a phone operator, and then getting your own STIR/SHAKEN certificate shouldn’t be a problem at all. Thats a massive amount of numbers, unrealistically many numbers for any company ever except for those that are a phone operator.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'>2: For me, its seems like hunting for nano-cents. I checked around when I got my DID and call account for my own personal use, and the prices aren’t that different. Its really not worth the effort for what you save. Checked with several operators and the prices are almost the same per minute, its like one operator has like 0.016 per minute and another has 0.014 … not gonna save much on that. Might save like 1$-2$ per month on choosing the latter operator.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'>3: Why? Consolidiate all your agreements to 1 single operator that handles everything, and everything will be so much simpler. Then you are simply a trunk ccustomer to that particular operator, no need to handle all this with signing and certificates and everything..<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'>To save a little tiny nano-cent from each minute of call..<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:65.2pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'><b>Från:</b> <a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a> <<a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>> <b>För </b>Joel Serrano<br><b>Skickat:</b> den 12 mars 2021 01:52<br><b>Till:</b> Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion <<a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a>><br><b>Ämne:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>I wanted to add some comments to Sebastian's response:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>1- When you have a lot of DIDs, you can't just "port" them over from company1 to company2. Try to have 1M or so DIDs and ask if you can just port them. No no, not that simple. There is a process that a lot of times is not worth the cost/risk/etc.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>2- What happens if company1 has very good pricing for DIDs, but extremely high rates for placing outbound calls, and company2 has super aggressive pricing for the destinations you use most, but sells DIDs very expensive? Mix and match? :)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>3- What do you do, when instead of having 1 outbound carrier, you have several 50? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>At the end I think you are mistakenly comparing apples to oranges, your DID provider has nothing to do with your outbound carrier, can the DID provider also give you outbound calling? Most likely, but that doesn't mean that the best way to go is to route outbound calls via the carrier that is providing you DIDs.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:34 PM Sebastian Nielsen <<a href="mailto:sebastian@sebbe.eu">sebastian@sebbe.eu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'>I reallt don’t understand why people simply use the same operator to terminate your calls, which also provide DIDs for you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'>Then you don’t need to touch this at all, your carrier will do all the STIR/SHAKEN handling for you, you are just a PBX customer.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'>And then the operator then simply limits your account to only present your DID as outgoing number.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'>Seems to be a unneccesary complicated solution just to have your numbers at company 1 and have your call termination at company 2.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'>So fricking unneccessary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'>What I know there is requirements of number portability, so as long as company 2 can handle DIDs (ergo ”own” DIDs) you should be able to move your DIDs from company 1 to company 2 – then company 2 owns your DIDs.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'>Best regards, Sebastian Nielsen<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'><b>Från:</b> <a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a> <<a href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>> <b>För </b>Alexander Perkins<br><b>Skickat:</b> den 12 mars 2021 01:23<br><b>Till:</b> <a href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com" target="_blank">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a><br><b>Ämne:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>Hi Jeff. What exactly do you mean by the 'inbound piece'? I've spent quite a lot of time with the folks at TILTX understanding the framework; but I am not exactly sure what you mean by the 'inbound piece.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>Greg/Doug, like many folks here, we use LCR. So, the terminating carrier is not necessarily the one that issued us the telephone numbers. So, they will not sign it or simply cannot sign it. Remember that a very limited number of companies can actually sign the calls; the rest have to buy it from these 'Service Providers'. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>And there is another situation - the company you purchase your numbers from and the company you place your calls through may be different and both may not be able to sign your calls. Again, a very limited number of service providers that can actually sign your calls. So what do you do in that scenario? You have to find a Service Provider that can:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>1. Verify you own that telephone number(s).<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>2. Sign your calls.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>3. Provide you with the technical means to do so.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>So, that's that... I hope this makes sense. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:195.6pt'>Alex<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:130.4pt'>-- <br>_____________________________________________________________________<br>-- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by <a href="http://www.api-digital.com" target="_blank">http://www.api-digital.com</a> --<br><br>Check out the new Asterisk community forum at: <a href="https://community.asterisk.org/" target="_blank">https://community.asterisk.org/</a><br><br>New to Asterisk? 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