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To be honest, that is the logic we ended up with, and are dumping
our LCR. The savings aren't worth the headache. We don't have 1M
numbers, but we have a significant number. We can't quite get down
to one carrier (and don't really want to), but we can keep outbound
calls on the carrier that "owns" them, and not worry about this.<br>
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Jeff LaCoursiere<br>
StratusTalk, Inc.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/21 8:12 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dk@donkelly.biz">dk@donkelly.biz</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You said it in your first post when you
said “<span lang="SV">I reallt don’t understand.” You don’t
understand the business that these people are in. A few
people showed you a few examples of why it’s important to
use more than one carrier--and there are other reasons that
stir/shaken is a big deal for some of us.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">It clearly isn’t a big deal
for you, so you probably don’t have much to add to the
discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"> --Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> asterisk-users
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"><asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com></a> <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Sebastian Nielsen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 11, 2021 7:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Mailing List'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com"><asterisk-users@lists.digium.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">1: 1M DID’s? Then I would
go straight out and say you are a phone operator, and then
getting your own STIR/SHAKEN certificate shouldn’t be a
problem at all. Thats a massive amount of numbers,
unrealistically many numbers for any company ever except for
those that are a phone operator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">2: For me, its seems like
hunting for nano-cents. I checked around when I got my DID
and call account for my own personal use, and the prices
aren’t that different. Its really not worth the effort for
what you save. Checked with several operators and the prices
are almost the same per minute, its like one operator has
like 0.016 per minute and another has 0.014 … not gonna save
much on that. Might save like 1$-2$ per month on choosing
the latter operator.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">3: Why? Consolidiate all
your agreements to 1 single operator that handles
everything, and everything will be so much simpler. Then you
are simply a trunk ccustomer to that particular operator, no
need to handle all this with signing and certificates and
everything..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV">To save a little tiny
nano-cent from each minute of call..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><b><span
lang="SV">Från:</span></b><span lang="SV"> <a
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
<<a
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<b>För </b>Joel Serrano<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 12 mars 2021 01:52<br>
<b>Till:</b> Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
Discussion <<a
href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">asterisk-users@lists.digium.com</a>><br>
<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">I wanted to add some comments to Sebastian's
response:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">1- When you have a lot of DIDs, you can't just
"port" them over from company1 to company2. Try to have
1M or so DIDs and ask if you can just port them. No no,
not that simple. There is a process that a lot of times
is not worth the cost/risk/etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">2- What happens if company1 has very good
pricing for DIDs, but extremely high rates for placing
outbound calls, and company2 has super
aggressive pricing for the destinations you use most,
but sells DIDs very expensive? Mix and match? :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">3- What do you do, when instead of having 1
outbound carrier, you have several 50? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">At the end I think you are mistakenly
comparing apples to oranges, your DID provider has
nothing to do with your outbound carrier, can the DID
provider also give you outbound calling? Most likely,
but that doesn't mean that the best way to go is to
route outbound calls via the carrier that is providing
you DIDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span lang="SV"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 4:34 PM Sebastian
Nielsen <<a href="mailto:sebastian@sebbe.eu"
moz-do-not-send="true">sebastian@sebbe.eu</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">I reallt don’t understand why people
simply use the same operator to terminate your
calls, which also provide DIDs for you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">Then you don’t need to touch this at all,
your carrier will do all the STIR/SHAKEN handling
for you, you are just a PBX customer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">And then the operator then simply limits
your account to only present your DID as outgoing
number.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">Seems to be a unneccesary complicated
solution just to have your numbers at company 1 and
have your call termination at company 2.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">So fricking unneccessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">What I know there is requirements of
number portability, so as long as company 2 can
handle DIDs (ergo ”own” DIDs) you should be able to
move your DIDs from company 1 to company 2 – then
company 2 owns your DIDs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:65.2pt"><span
lang="SV">Best regards, Sebastian Nielsen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="SV">Från:</span></b><span lang="SV"> <a
href="mailto:asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">asterisk-users-bounces@lists.digium.com</a>
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<b>För </b>Alexander Perkins<br>
<b>Skickat:</b> den 12 mars 2021 01:23<br>
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<b>Ämne:</b> Re: [asterisk-users] STIR/SHAKEN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
lang="SV">Hi Jeff. What exactly do you mean by
the 'inbound piece'? I've spent quite a lot of
time with the folks at TILTX understanding the
framework; but I am not exactly sure what you mean
by the 'inbound piece.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
lang="SV">Greg/Doug, like many folks here, we
use LCR. So, the terminating carrier is not
necessarily the one that issued us the telephone
numbers. So, they will not sign it or simply
cannot sign it. Remember that a very limited
number of companies can actually sign the calls;
the rest have to buy it from these 'Service
Providers'. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
lang="SV">And there is another situation - the
company you purchase your numbers from and the
company you place your calls through may be
different and both may not be able to sign your
calls. Again, a very limited number of service
providers that can actually sign your calls. So
what do you do in that scenario? You have to
find a Service Provider that can:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="SV"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
lang="SV">1. Verify you own that telephone
number(s).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
lang="SV">2. Sign your calls.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:130.4pt"><span
lang="SV">3. Provide you with the technical
means to do so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="SV">So, that's that... I hope this makes
sense. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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lang="SV">Alex<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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