So we know, and I know, that a dry copper pair has no load coils, etc. Generally sells for about $20/line.. sometimes less.<br><br>Is there something that iLEC will sell that has load coils in it? Like say, if I wanted to run voice over it, and didn't care about data?
<br><br>IE.. I know this is VoIP, but say I wanted to put an analog extension someplace. Is there a cheap alternative I could hook between me and the remote location, going analog all the way?<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">
On 5/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Jon Pounder</b> <<a href="mailto:jonp@inline.net">jonp@inline.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>> On Fri, 11 May 2007, John Treble said something to this effect:<br>><br>>> Can you still do "homebrew" PTP T1 in the U.S. this way? I thought this<br>>> was nixed by the ILEC/CLECs years ago.<br>>
<br>> It's logically possible. But if you're trying to do T1 over a single<br>> pair, you'd have to break it out using HDSL/PairGain sort of line<br>> equipment, since you obviously can't install field repeaters or do any
<br>> span conditioning yourself.<br><br>>From what I know about it - even with the hdsl you are only going to get<br>it to work at full speed over about 10000 cable ft, then you need a<br>repeater of some sort - if it was just a raw T1, you're not going to get
<br>anywhere near the 10000 ft to start with.<br><br>the dry copper is a cheap install since they DON'T do the line<br>conditioning - remove load coils, etc, but if your reach was only 10000ft<br>to start with you're not likely to have load coils etc anyway, and if the
<br>line is that bad where its got grounds or shorts you would be within your<br>rights to demand that be fixed even for dry copper.<br><br>The question is really can you get dry copper short enough cable ft to<br>span the locations you need and still work with whatever hardware you want
<br>to throw on the ends of it ?<br><br>as far as the conditioning, you could probably even get 20000ft without<br>coils if the CO is halfway in the middle since the coils would be based on<br>the radius from the CO in the first place, but then again is your hardware
<br>going to reach that distance and be able to maintain any sort of decent<br>transfer rate ?<br><br>again, I'm interested to know anyone whose actually done this, and what<br>the results were, since I have been thinking of the same thing for a
<br>while.<br><br><br><br> From then on it's a crapshoot and really<br>> just depends on whether the copper is of quality, distance,<br>> specifications,<br>> etc. that can support the specification. There's no way for them to "nix"
<br>> that, really, other than possibly keeping load coils or other constraining<br>> stuff on the facilities that tends to need to be removed for various<br>> high-speed data line / private line applications.<br>
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