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<pre wrap="">Derek Whitten

Messages like this SHOULD NOT be posted to the list

I have been trying to block you from my servers do to your abuse

I will add this email address to the list also and contract your service provider.

You are not doing the right thing you are acting like a child.

I think you are abusing the list to send SPAM.

And it is getting old blocking your email addresses

And it getting old that you spoof my mail server and sending email with that look like it is coming from my servers.

Derek if you keep this up I will press charges on you.

I do track IP address on all email to my servers so yes I have all the proof I need from you.

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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Best regards,

Al Bochter

Bochter Services

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Derek Whitten wrote:

<blockquote cite="mid45A3A494.4020806@kfuq.net" type="cite">

  <pre wrap="">C F wrote:

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  <blockquote type="cite">

    <pre wrap="">I knew I was doing the right thing, here is the proof, enjoy when you

read it, and have a good laugh.

---------- Forwarded message ----------

From: Al Bochter <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Al.Bochter@bochterservices.com">&lt;Al.Bochter@bochterservices.com&gt;</a>

Date: Jan 8, 2007 8:22 PM

Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.

To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shmaltz@gmail.com">shmaltz@gmail.com</a>

(C)UNT (F)UCK!

THIS IS OFF THE LIST

FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!

GET A JOB AND STOP LIVING OFF MY TAXES

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING

TRY AND STAY ON THE POINT.

YOU ARE NOW BLOCKED

I AM NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH JACKASSES LIKE YOU....

GOOD BYE

Best regards,

Al Bochter

Bochter Services

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C F wrote:

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    <blockquote type="cite">

      <pre wrap="">When I first noticed that this thread has over 20 messages i was sure

it is interesting. When I read it I realized that I havn't noticed

that Al Bochter has posted to it.

Plain old stuff, just someone making sure to put a new twist on it.

On 1/8/07, Juan Jose Comellas <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:juanjo@comellas.com.ar">&lt;juanjo@comellas.com.ar&gt;</a> wrote:

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      <blockquote type="cite">

        <pre wrap="">The Intel IPP-based G.729 codec does work with AMD processors out of

the box,

both with the 32 bit and 64 bit versions.

On Mon January 8 2007 19:31, Zoa wrote:

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <pre wrap="">I did some tests a long time ago and the speed was roughly the

          </pre>

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        <pre wrap="">same. ( I

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <pre wrap="">think digium's was slightly faster).

I think the IPP version also doesn't work on AMD out of the box.

It's just 10$ a channel, that's not even worth the hassle of trying

something else.

Joachim

Al Bochter wrote:

          </pre>

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <pre wrap="">Matthew

I agree. I only know what I have told by others so I do need this

            </pre>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">input

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <pre wrap="">I have been told that Digum G729 is a big pain the the butt to get

working with Asterisk

and it is very hard on the CPU

Keep in mind I have never used any Ver. of G 729

So tell me what you think.

Best regards,

Al Bochter

Bochter Services

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Matthew Rubenstein wrote:

            </pre>

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <pre wrap="">    All of which hassle and expense can be avoided by buying a

license for

Digium's codec, which is tested to work well with Asterisk (and

              </pre>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">might

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <pre wrap="">come with some support). And is pretty cheap per simul "call".

    I wonder whether that "per call" means "per codec instance",

              </pre>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">which

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <pre wrap="">could be multiple licenses on a single conference call, where

              </pre>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">multiple

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <pre wrap="">(even if not all) parties are getting de/encoded simultaneously.

              </pre>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">And

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <pre wrap="">whether there are other tools for editing (/mixing/transforming)

              </pre>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">g729

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <pre wrap="">data, in realtime (streams) or not (files), and whether they

              </pre>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">require a

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <pre wrap="">license. Ideally sox or equivalent would work on g729, maybe with a

codec plugin.

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 13:23 -0500, Paul wrote:

              </pre>

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">First point to tackle in any case involving patent, copyright or

trademark infringement is whether or not the infringing party

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">would

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">have

been qualified to buy any usage rights at all. In a case where you

license the Intel source(read the terms, it's not really that

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">"free"),

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">you would be applying for a license under some plan that includes

certain minimum payments. Even if you wrote new source from

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">scratch you

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">would be in the same boat. Last time I looked at the plans, I

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">didn't

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">see

anything with low minimums. So even if you wrote code from

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">scratch and

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">never used it on more than 6 channels, you might have done

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">something

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">that normally requires a large upfront payment. Use $10k as an

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">example.

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">In such a case owner of the patent might have an attorney initiate

contact. If you are willing to communicate they might allow you

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">to pay

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

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              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">the minimum and be licensed. If you can't do that, they might

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">offer a

        </pre>

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">settlement where you stop using the codec and pay them some lesser

amount.

If the patent holder can easily prove the violation you might

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">as well

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">try to deal with them and get things settled fast. If you sell

                </pre>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">or give

        </pre>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <pre wrap="">away the codec it is easier for them to dig up proof. If you have

unhappy employees that might be the way they hear about the

violation in

the first place.

Important consideration: Bankruptcy law generally excludes debts

created

by things like malicious or criminal acts.

Matthew Rubenstein wrote:

                </pre>

                <blockquote type="cite">

                  <pre wrap="">    As far as I know, the g729 patent requires buying a

                  </pre>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">license to

        </pre>

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            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

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                  <pre wrap="">operate

any implementation of it, whether Digium's, Intel's, or any

                  </pre>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">other.

        </pre>

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                  <pre wrap="">Digium is set up to collect royalties (perhaps at a favorable

                  </pre>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">rate) as

        </pre>

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                  <pre wrap="">part of their license from the patent holder. I don't know

                  </pre>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">about Intel

        </pre>

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                  <pre wrap="">or any other. Or what the mechanics are for enforcing the

                  </pre>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">patent on

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          <blockquote type="cite">

            <blockquote type="cite">

              <blockquote type="cite">

                <blockquote type="cite">

                  <pre wrap="">someone who operates a codec without a license.

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 10:51 -0500, Al Bochter wrote:

                  </pre>

                  <blockquote type="cite">

                    <pre wrap="">What about the free open source G729

Best regards,

Al Bochter

Bochter Services

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Matthew Rubenstein wrote:

                    </pre>

                    <blockquote type="cite">

                      <pre wrap="">    I connect to a PSTN carrier over SIP which requires me to

connect with

a g729 codec. I'm using them for just robocalling: Asterisk

                      </pre>

                    </blockquote>

                  </blockquote>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">server

        </pre>

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                      <pre wrap="">originates calls which play a prerecorded file. Can I

                      </pre>

                    </blockquote>

                  </blockquote>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">pre-encode

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                      <pre wrap="">those

stored files in g729 so they don't need to be encoded for each

call? If

so, do I need a g729 license for each call, or just a

                      </pre>

                    </blockquote>

                  </blockquote>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

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        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">license for

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                      <pre wrap="">the

preencoder? If the robocalls accept incoming DTMF, do I need

                      </pre>

                    </blockquote>

                  </blockquote>

                </blockquote>

              </blockquote>

            </blockquote>

          </blockquote>

        </blockquote>

        <pre wrap="">g729

        </pre>

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                      <pre wrap="">licenses for those calls?

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 04:08 -0700,

<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:asterisk-users-request@lists.digium.com">asterisk-users-request@lists.digium.com</a> wrote:

                      </pre>

                      <blockquote type="cite">

                        <pre wrap="">Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:47:39 +0800

From: Leo Ann Boon <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:leo@datvoiz.com">&lt;leo@datvoiz.com&gt;</a>

Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.

To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion

     <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asterisk-users@lists.digium.com">&lt;asterisk-users@lists.digium.com&gt;</a>

Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:45A1DAFB.9070704@datvoiz.com">&lt;45A1DAFB.9070704@datvoiz.com&gt;</a>

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Xue Liangliang wrote:

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                        <blockquote type="cite">

                          <pre wrap="">Hi, all

I am a pabx vendor from Singapore. Recently we are going to

                          </pre>

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                        <pre wrap="">implement

                        </pre>

                        <blockquote type="cite">

                          <pre wrap="">a failover solution for our customers using heartbeat, the

asterisk server can failover perfectly, however the g729

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        <pre wrap="">codec

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                          <pre wrap="">canot work, because it is binded the mac address, we have

bought two set of licenses, can you provide us some

                          </pre>

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        <pre wrap="">workaround

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                          <pre wrap="">for this scenario?

                          </pre>

                        </blockquote>

                        <pre wrap="">It shouldn't be a problem if you're only doing IP takeover and

have bound the licenses to each server separately.  If you're

sharing the storage, then that could pose a problem.

Leo

DatVoiz Singapore Pte Ltd

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