[asterisk-users] 786 000 files limit Centos 7 - Asterisk keeps complaining

Stefan Viljoen viljoens at verishare.co.za
Fri Aug 7 07:15:53 CDT 2015 

Hi Guys

I keep getting messages in the Asterisk 1.8.11.0 CLI that there are not
enough file descriptors available on my Centos 7 box.

I also get regular error messages that RTP connections are failing due to
bad file descriptors.

I have already edited /etc/sysctl.conf by setting fs.file-max to 786 000
files, and running sysctl -p afterward.

I have also edited /etc/security/limits.conf and entered

* soft nofile 786000
* hard nofile 786000

and rebooted my system.

When I ge the Asterisk error messages in the CLI that there are not enough
file descriptors, I immediately ran

lsof | wc -l

and I only get around 100 000 files open - while my limit is 786 000 - yet
still Asterisk keeps complaining.

I have also edited /etc/asterisk/asterisk.conf to have 

maxfiles = 786000

and restarted Asterisk / rebooted, but this has no effect.

Why does Asterisk 1.8.11.0 complain that there are insufficient file
descriptors when my limit is 786 000 and the kernel itself states that only
100 000+ handles / decriptors are in use at the moment Asterisk is
complaining about insuffiecient descriptors?

Anybody else ran into this?

Thanks

Stefan

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   1. Re: Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail over (Eric Klein)
   2. Re: Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail over (Sam Basan)
   3. Re: Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail over
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   4. Update: Planned NASA trip around Astricon (Eric Klein)


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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:01:15 +0300
From: Eric Klein <eric.klein at greenfieldtech.net>
To: asterisk-users <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
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Responding to Matt Riddell, M Shokuie, A J Stiles, and Telium Support (all
below)

Thanks for the suggestions, but a separate gateway is a problem in the
design as the configuration is basically:

Carrier --- PRI --- Asterisk (with failover) ---- Legacy PBX
                              |
                              - SIP / IAX2 -- our service or remote office

As this is already acting as a gateway adding another box to the mix seems a
bit over kill (unless I can embed it and the asterisk PBX into a 2 U pizza
box). But since most gateways are designed to be used for fail over servers
/ PBXs not lines I am not sure that this would benefit us.

So far I have found 1 company that seems to have a gateway card and that is
the beroNet PCI / PCIe Gateway Cards which they say has the card level
failover. I will update the list should this meet the use case.
Eric

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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 13:54:05 -0500
> From: Matt Riddell <lists at venturevoip.com>
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>         <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
>         over
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>
> Yep it was red fone
>
> http://red-fone.com
>
> 7 years ago :-)
>
> http://www.venturevoip.com/detail.php?news_id=1927
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Matt Riddell
> _______________________________________________
>
> http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News) 
> http://www.venturevoip.com/pabx_on_disk.php (PABX on a Disk) 
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> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 23:31:29 +0430
> From: M Shokuie <senahrm at gmail.com>
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>         <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
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> Hi there,
>
> Using Sangoma Vega400 gateway you'll have what is called resilliency 
> which is exactly what you are looking for.
>
> Regards.
> --
> M. Shokuie Nia
> On Aug 3, 2015 18:51, "Eric Klein" <eric.klein at greenfieldtech.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Strange request, I have a customer where we are putting an Asterisk 
> > PBX
> in
> > front of a legacy (non-VoIP) PBX. One of the requirements it that 
> > the Asterisk PBX have 2 PRI ports (on towards the legacy PBX and one 
> > towards the carrier) with the ability to go to pass through should 
> > the Asterisk
> PBX
> > (software or hardware level) fail.
> >
> > I did not see this feature in the Digium, Sangoma, Allo, or OpenVox
> cards.
> >
> > Does anyone know of a card that will do this? I know that Digium has 
> > an external box (the r850) that does something similar for 2 PBXs 
> > making
> them
> > high availability, but in this case I only have the 1 Asterisk box 
> > acting as a gateway and passing some calls out over SIP and IAX2.
> >
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Eric
> >
> > --
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> > _
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> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:47:02 +0100
> From: A J Stiles <asterisk_list at earthshod.co.uk>
> To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
>         <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
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> On Monday 03 Aug 2015, Eric Klein wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Strange request, I have a customer where we are putting an Asterisk 
> > PBX
> in
> > front of a legacy (non-VoIP) PBX. One of the requirements it that 
> > the Asterisk PBX have 2 PRI ports (on towards the legacy PBX and one 
> > towards the carrier) with the ability to go to pass through should 
> > the Asterisk
> PBX
> > (software or hardware level) fail.
> >
> > I did not see this feature in the Digium, Sangoma, Allo, or OpenVox
> cards.
> >
> > Does anyone know of a card that will do this? I know that Digium has 
> > an external box (the r850) that does something similar for 2 PBXs 
> > making
> them
> > high availability, but in this case I only have the 1 Asterisk box 
> > acting as a gateway and passing some calls out over SIP and IAX2.
> >
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Use a 4-pole change-over relay to switch the PRI connection either to 
> the Asterisk box if it gets some sort of "heartbeat" signal from the 
> computer (say, toggling one of the lines of a printer port, if the 
> motherboard still has one),  or the old PABX?
>
> You might have to do some mean, down and dirty low-level programming, 
> to embed your heartbeat-generating code in Asterisk's idle loop; but 
> the Source Code is out there, if you fancy the challenge .....
>
> --
> AJS
>
> Note:  Originating address only accepts e-mail from list!  If replying 
> off- list, change address to asterisk1list at earthshod dot co dot uk .
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:23:47 -0400
> From: Technical Support <support at telium.ca>
> To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
>         over
> Message-ID: <55C0AED3.4030004 at telium.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> On 8/4/2015 3:47 AM, A J Stiles wrote:
> > On Monday 03 Aug 2015, Eric Klein wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Strange request, I have a customer where we are putting an Asterisk 
> >> PBX
> in
> >> front of a legacy (non-VoIP) PBX. One of the requirements it that 
> >> the Asterisk PBX have 2 PRI ports (on towards the legacy PBX and 
> >> one towards the carrier) with the ability to go to pass through 
> >> should the Asterisk
> PBX
> >> (software or hardware level) fail.
> >>
> >> I did not see this feature in the Digium, Sangoma, Allo, or OpenVox
> cards.
> >>
> >> Does anyone know of a card that will do this? I know that Digium 
> >> has an external box (the r850) that does something similar for 2 
> >> PBXs making
> them
> >> high availability, but in this case I only have the 1 Asterisk box
> acting
> >> as a gateway and passing some calls out over SIP and IAX2.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> > Use a 4-pole change-over relay to switch the PRI connection either 
> > to the Asterisk box if it gets some sort of "heartbeat" signal from 
> > the computer (say, toggling one of the lines of a printer port, if 
> > the motherboard
> still
> > has one),  or the old PABX?
> >
> > You might have to do some mean, down and dirty low-level 
> > programming, to
> embed
> > your heartbeat-generating code in Asterisk's idle loop; but the 
> > Source
> Code is
> > out there, if you fancy the challenge .....
> >
> Building on the answer above, have a look at ESL labs - who make such 
> a relay that can bypass the PRI to the Asterisk server.  As well, have 
> a look at HAAst (www.telium.ca) which can monitor Asterisk and then 
> control the ESL relay to bypass Asterisk in case of failure.
>
> -Raj-
>
> P.S. My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. As I 
> am employed by Telium you can bet that me opinions are biased!
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 12:53:11 +0300
From: Sam Basan <sbasan at bluebe.net>
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
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Hi,

What you need is PRI TAP (also called SWITCH box)

Check this one
http://www.voicetronix.com/openpri.htm

???? ?????? ????
?????? 3 ????' 2015 17:53,? "Eric Klein" <eric.klein at greenfieldtech.net>
???:

> Hi all,
>
> Strange request, I have a customer where we are putting an Asterisk 
> PBX in front of a legacy (non-VoIP) PBX. One of the requirements it 
> that the Asterisk PBX have 2 PRI ports (on towards the legacy PBX and 
> one towards the carrier) with the ability to go to pass through should 
> the Asterisk PBX (software or hardware level) fail.
>
> I did not see this feature in the Digium, Sangoma, Allo, or OpenVox cards.
>
> Does anyone know of a card that will do this? I know that Digium has 
> an external box (the r850) that does something similar for 2 PBXs 
> making them high availability, but in this case I only have the 1 
> Asterisk box acting as a gateway and passing some calls out over SIP and
IAX2.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Eric
>
> --
> _____________________________________________________________________
> -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- 
> New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every Thurs:
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 09:48:56 -0400
From: Technical Support <support at telium.ca>
To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
	over
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> Responding to Matt Riddell, M Shokuie, A J Stiles, and Telium Support 
> (all below)
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, but a separate gateway is a problem in the 
> design as the configuration is basically:
>
> Carrier --- PRI --- Asterisk (with failover) ---- Legacy PBX
>                               |
>                               - SIP / IAX2 -- our service or remote 
> office
>
> As this is already acting as a gateway adding another box to the mix 
> seems a bit over kill (unless I can embed it and the asterisk PBX into 
> a 2 U pizza box). But since most gateways are designed to be used for 
> fail over servers / PBXs not lines I am not sure that this would 
> benefit us.
>
> So far I have found 1 company that seems to have a gateway card and 
> that is the beroNet PCI / PCIe Gateway Cards which they say has the 
> card level failover. I will update the list should this meet the use case.
> Eric
>
>     
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>
>     Message: 1
>     Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 13:54:05 -0500
>     From: Matt Riddell <lists at venturevoip.com
>     <mailto:lists at venturevoip.com>>
>     To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>             <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
>     <mailto:asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>>
>     Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
>             over
>     Message-ID: <2539D3B3-4981-468F-95AF-34D9D6A170BA at venturevoip.com
>     <mailto:2539D3B3-4981-468F-95AF-34D9D6A170BA at venturevoip.com>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>     Yep it was red fone
>
>     http://red-fone.com
>
>     7 years ago :-)
>
>     http://www.venturevoip.com/detail.php?news_id=1927
>
>     --
>     Cheers,
>
>     Matt Riddell
>     _______________________________________________
>
>     http://www.venturevoip.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News)
>     http://www.venturevoip.com/pabx_on_disk.php (PABX on a Disk)
>     http://www.venturevoip.com/exchange.php (Full ITSP Solution)
>     http://www.venturevoip.com/cc.php (Call Centre Solutions)
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>     Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2015 23:31:29 +0430
>     From: M Shokuie <senahrm at gmail.com <mailto:senahrm at gmail.com>>
>     To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>             <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
>     <mailto:asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>>
>     Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
>             over
>     Message-ID:
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>     <CAJC6NeY7if_T-YspbccLLf2ZiL4LOBt45ajJ=kKsgWn=7nzmmw at mail.gmail.com
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>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>     Hi there,
>
>     Using Sangoma Vega400 gateway you'll have what is called
>     resilliency which
>     is exactly what you are looking for.
>
>     Regards.
>     --
>     M. Shokuie Nia
>     On Aug 3, 2015 18:51, "Eric Klein" <eric.klein at greenfieldtech.net
>     <mailto:eric.klein at greenfieldtech.net>> wrote:
>
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > Strange request, I have a customer where we are putting an
>     Asterisk PBX in
>     > front of a legacy (non-VoIP) PBX. One of the requirements it
>     that the
>     > Asterisk PBX have 2 PRI ports (on towards the legacy PBX and one
>     towards
>     > the carrier) with the ability to go to pass through should the
>     Asterisk PBX
>     > (software or hardware level) fail.
>     >
>     > I did not see this feature in the Digium, Sangoma, Allo, or
>     OpenVox cards.
>     >
>     > Does anyone know of a card that will do this? I know that Digium
>     has an
>     > external box (the r850) that does something similar for 2 PBXs
>     making them
>     > high availability, but in this case I only have the 1 Asterisk
>     box acting
>     > as a gateway and passing some calls out over SIP and IAX2.
>     >
>     > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     > Eric
>     >
>     > --
>     >
>     _____________________________________________________________________
>     > -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by
>     http://www.api-digital.com --
>     > New to Asterisk? Join us for a live introductory webinar every
>     Thurs:
>     > http://www.asterisk.org/hello
>     >
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>     Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:47:02 +0100
>     From: A J Stiles <asterisk_list at earthshod.co.uk
>     <mailto:asterisk_list at earthshod.co.uk>>
>     To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
>             <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
>     <mailto:asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>>
>     Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
>             over
>     Message-ID: <201508040847.02341.asterisk_list at earthshod.co.uk
>     <mailto:201508040847.02341.asterisk_list at earthshod.co.uk>>
>     Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="utf-8"
>
>     On Monday 03 Aug 2015, Eric Klein wrote:
>     > Hi all,
>     >
>     > Strange request, I have a customer where we are putting an
>     Asterisk PBX in
>     > front of a legacy (non-VoIP) PBX. One of the requirements it
>     that the
>     > Asterisk PBX have 2 PRI ports (on towards the legacy PBX and one
>     towards
>     > the carrier) with the ability to go to pass through should the
>     Asterisk PBX
>     > (software or hardware level) fail.
>     >
>     > I did not see this feature in the Digium, Sangoma, Allo, or
>     OpenVox cards.
>     >
>     > Does anyone know of a card that will do this? I know that Digium
>     has an
>     > external box (the r850) that does something similar for 2 PBXs
>     making them
>     > high availability, but in this case I only have the 1 Asterisk
>     box acting
>     > as a gateway and passing some calls out over SIP and IAX2.
>     >
>     > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>     Use a 4-pole change-over relay to switch the PRI connection either
>     to the
>     Asterisk box if it gets some sort of "heartbeat" signal from the
>     computer
>     (say, toggling one of the lines of a printer port, if the
>     motherboard still
>     has one),  or the old PABX?
>
>     You might have to do some mean, down and dirty low-level
>     programming, to embed
>     your heartbeat-generating code in Asterisk's idle loop; but the
>     Source Code is
>     out there, if you fancy the challenge .....
>
>     --
>     AJS
>
>     Note:  Originating address only accepts e-mail from list! If
>     replying off-
>     list, change address to asterisk1list at earthshod dot co dot uk .
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------
>
>     Message: 4
>     Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 08:23:47 -0400
>     From: Technical Support <support at telium.ca <mailto:support at telium.ca>>
>     To: asterisk-users at lists.digium.com
>     <mailto:asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
>     Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Looking for PRI Card with automatic fail
>             over
>     Message-ID: <55C0AED3.4030004 at telium.ca
>     <mailto:55C0AED3.4030004 at telium.ca>>
>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
>     On 8/4/2015 3:47 AM, A J Stiles wrote:
>     > On Monday 03 Aug 2015, Eric Klein wrote:
>     >> Hi all,
>     >>
>     >> Strange request, I have a customer where we are putting an
>     Asterisk PBX in
>     >> front of a legacy (non-VoIP) PBX. One of the requirements it
>     that the
>     >> Asterisk PBX have 2 PRI ports (on towards the legacy PBX and
>     one towards
>     >> the carrier) with the ability to go to pass through should the
>     Asterisk PBX
>     >> (software or hardware level) fail.
>     >>
>     >> I did not see this feature in the Digium, Sangoma, Allo, or
>     OpenVox cards.
>     >>
>     >> Does anyone know of a card that will do this? I know that
>     Digium has an
>     >> external box (the r850) that does something similar for 2 PBXs
>     making them
>     >> high availability, but in this case I only have the 1 Asterisk
>     box acting
>     >> as a gateway and passing some calls out over SIP and IAX2.
>     >>
>     >> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>     > Use a 4-pole change-over relay to switch the PRI connection
>     either to the
>     > Asterisk box if it gets some sort of "heartbeat" signal from the
>     computer
>     > (say, toggling one of the lines of a printer port, if the
>     motherboard still
>     > has one),  or the old PABX?
>     >
>     > You might have to do some mean, down and dirty low-level
>     programming, to embed
>     > your heartbeat-generating code in Asterisk's idle loop; but the
>     Source Code is
>     > out there, if you fancy the challenge .....
>     >
>     Building on the answer above, have a look at ESL labs - who make
>     such a
>     relay that can bypass the PRI to the Asterisk server.  As well, have a
>     look at HAAst (www.telium.ca <http://www.telium.ca>) which can
>     monitor Asterisk and then
>     control the ESL relay to bypass Asterisk in case of failure.
>
>     -Raj-
>
>     P.S. My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. As I
>     am employed by Telium you can bet that me opinions are biased!
>
>
>
>
If you place an ESL PRI A/B switch on either side of the Asterisk server you
can easily bypass the Asterisk server, or place it inline with the PRI link.

You can also chose to TAP the lines as noted above, but you have to ensure
that both PRI cards don't go live at once...(if I understand that product
correctly).
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 17:20:54 +0300
From: Eric Klein <eric.klein at greenfieldtech.net>
To: asterisk-users <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
Subject: [asterisk-users] Update: Planned NASA trip around Astricon
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Hi All,

(Again cross posting, so sorry if you see multiple copies)

Ok. as we are getting closer to Astricon I am sending out an update to see
who is interested so we can book the trip with transportation.

As this year Astricon is in Orlando, and most of us are tech geeks in on
form or another, we are trying to organize a road trip to see NASA's Kennedy
Space Center.

We are looking at doing this the Friday (Oct. 16) after Astricon so as to
enable those working the con to attend.

Cost per person will be *$121*.



This is for The Kennedy Space Center Tour with Dining with an Astronaut
which includes

   1. Roundtrip Transportation from the resort
      2. Admission To Kennedy Space Center Visitors Complex
      3. Space Shuttle Atlantis
      4. Shuttle Launch Experience
      5. Angry Birds Space Encounter
      6. Apollo/Saturn V Center
      7. General Bus Tour
      8. I-Max 3D Movies
      9. Admission To Astronaut Hall Of Fame
      10. Lunch with an Astronaut (you get to also ask questions, get
      autographs, and have a picture taken)

So please let me know if you are interested, as we get closer we will
discuss total price and how people can pay it.

Looking forward to seeing you in Orlando in October.
Eric
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