Fwd: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.

Tue Jan 9 07:20:04 MST 2007

C F wrote:
> I knew I was doing the right thing, here is the proof, enjoy when you
> read it, and have a good laugh.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Al Bochter <Al.Bochter at bochterservices.com>
> Date: Jan 8, 2007 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.
> To: shmaltz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> (C)UNT (F)UCK!
> 
> THIS IS OFF THE LIST
> 
> FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!
> GET A JOB AND STOP LIVING OFF MY TAXES
> 
> YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING
> TRY AND STAY ON THE POINT.
> 
> YOU ARE NOW BLOCKED
> 
> I AM NOT GOING TO DEAL WITH JACKASSES LIKE YOU....
> 
> GOOD BYE
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Al Bochter
> Bochter Services
> http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email
> 
> 
> 
> C F wrote:
> 
>> When I first noticed that this thread has over 20 messages i was sure
>> it is interesting. When I read it I realized that I havn't noticed
>> that Al Bochter has posted to it.
>>
>> Plain old stuff, just someone making sure to put a new twist on it.
>>
>> On 1/8/07, Juan Jose Comellas <juanjo at comellas.com.ar> wrote:
>>
>>> The Intel IPP-based G.729 codec does work with AMD processors out of
>>> the box,
>>> both with the 32 bit and 64 bit versions.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon January 8 2007 19:31, Zoa wrote:
>>> > I did some tests a long time ago and the speed was roughly the
>>> same. ( I
>>> > think digium's was slightly faster).
>>> > I think the IPP version also doesn't work on AMD out of the box.
>>> >
>>> > It's just 10$ a channel, that's not even worth the hassle of trying
>>> > something else.
>>> >
>>> > Joachim
>>> >
>>> > Al Bochter wrote:
>>> > > Matthew
>>> > >
>>> > > I agree. I only know what I have told by others so I do need this
>>> input
>>> > >
>>> > > I have been told that Digum G729 is a big pain the the butt to get
>>> > > working with Asterisk
>>> > > and it is very hard on the CPU
>>> > >
>>> > > Keep in mind I have never used any Ver. of G 729
>>> > >
>>> > > So tell me what you think.
>>> > >
>>> > > Best regards,
>>> > >
>>> > > Al Bochter
>>> > > Bochter Services
>>> > > http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email
>>> > >
>>> > > Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
>>> > >>     All of which hassle and expense can be avoided by buying a
>>> > >> license for
>>> > >> Digium's codec, which is tested to work well with Asterisk (and
>>> might
>>> > >> come with some support). And is pretty cheap per simul "call".
>>> > >>
>>> > >>     I wonder whether that "per call" means "per codec instance",
>>> which
>>> > >> could be multiple licenses on a single conference call, where
>>> multiple
>>> > >> (even if not all) parties are getting de/encoded simultaneously.
>>> And
>>> > >> whether there are other tools for editing (/mixing/transforming)
>>> g729
>>> > >> data, in realtime (streams) or not (files), and whether they
>>> require a
>>> > >> license. Ideally sox or equivalent would work on g729, maybe with a
>>> > >> codec plugin.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 13:23 -0500, Paul wrote:
>>> > >>> First point to tackle in any case involving patent, copyright or
>>> > >>> trademark infringement is whether or not the infringing party
>>> would
>>> > >>> have
>>> > >>> been qualified to buy any usage rights at all. In a case where you
>>> > >>> license the Intel source(read the terms, it's not really that
>>> "free"),
>>> > >>> you would be applying for a license under some plan that includes
>>> > >>> certain minimum payments. Even if you wrote new source from
>>> scratch you
>>> > >>> would be in the same boat. Last time I looked at the plans, I
>>> didn't
>>> > >>> see
>>> > >>> anything with low minimums. So even if you wrote code from
>>> scratch and
>>> > >>> never used it on more than 6 channels, you might have done
>>> something
>>> > >>> that normally requires a large upfront payment. Use $10k as an
>>> example.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> In such a case owner of the patent might have an attorney initiate
>>> > >>> contact. If you are willing to communicate they might allow you
>>> to pay
>>> > >>> the minimum and be licensed. If you can't do that, they might
>>> offer a
>>> > >>> settlement where you stop using the codec and pay them some lesser
>>> > >>> amount.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> If the patent holder can easily prove the violation you might
>>> as well
>>> > >>> try to deal with them and get things settled fast. If you sell
>>> or give
>>> > >>> away the codec it is easier for them to dig up proof. If you have
>>> > >>> unhappy employees that might be the way they hear about the
>>> > >>> violation in
>>> > >>> the first place.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Important consideration: Bankruptcy law generally excludes debts
>>> > >>> created
>>> > >>> by things like malicious or criminal acts.
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
>>> > >>>>     As far as I know, the g729 patent requires buying a
>>> license to
>>> > >>>> operate
>>> > >>>> any implementation of it, whether Digium's, Intel's, or any
>>> other.
>>> > >>>> Digium is set up to collect royalties (perhaps at a favorable
>>> rate) as
>>> > >>>> part of their license from the patent holder. I don't know
>>> about Intel
>>> > >>>> or any other. Or what the mechanics are for enforcing the
>>> patent on
>>> > >>>> someone who operates a codec without a license.
>>> > >>>>
>>> > >>>> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 10:51 -0500, Al Bochter wrote:
>>> > >>>>> What about the free open source G729
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Best regards,
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Al Bochter
>>> > >>>>> Bochter Services
>>> > >>>>> http://www.BochterServices.com/?t=Email
>>> > >>>>>
>>> > >>>>> Matthew Rubenstein wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>     I connect to a PSTN carrier over SIP which requires me to
>>> > >>>>>> connect with
>>> > >>>>>> a g729 codec. I'm using them for just robocalling: Asterisk
>>> server
>>> > >>>>>> originates calls which play a prerecorded file. Can I
>>> pre-encode
>>> > >>>>>> those
>>> > >>>>>> stored files in g729 so they don't need to be encoded for each
>>> > >>>>>> call? If
>>> > >>>>>> so, do I need a g729 license for each call, or just a
>>> license for
>>> > >>>>>> the
>>> > >>>>>> preencoder? If the robocalls accept incoming DTMF, do I need
>>> g729
>>> > >>>>>> licenses for those calls?
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 04:08 -0700,
>>> > >>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>> asterisk-users-request at lists.digium.com wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>> Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:47:39 +0800
>>> > >>>>>>> From: Leo Ann Boon <leo at datvoiz.com>
>>> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Some queries on g729 license.
>>> > >>>>>>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>>> > >>>>>>>      <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
>>> > >>>>>>> Message-ID: <45A1DAFB.9070704 at datvoiz.com>
>>> > >>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Xue Liangliang wrote:
>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi, all
>>> > >>>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> I am a pabx vendor from Singapore. Recently we are going to
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> implement
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>>> a failover solution for our customers using heartbeat, the
>>> > >>>>>>>> asterisk server can failover perfectly, however the g729
>>> codec
>>> > >>>>>>>> canot work, because it is binded the mac address, we have
>>> > >>>>>>>> bought two set of licenses, can you provide us some
>>> workaround
>>> > >>>>>>>> for this scenario?
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> It shouldn't be a problem if you're only doing IP takeover and
>>> > >>>>>>> have bound the licenses to each server separately.  If you're
>>> > >>>>>>> sharing the storage, then that could pose a problem.
>>> > >>>>>>>
>>> > >>>>>>> Leo
>>> > >>>>>>> DatVoiz Singapore Pte Ltd
>>> > >
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and of course making himself and his **company** look like assholes in the process..

NICE GOIN ASSHAT!  lol

seriously Al, if we want your opinion in the future, we will gladly give it to you..

Why don't you try masturbation as a hobby instead of spreading you hate and discontent
here..  nobody wants to listen to the bullshit spewing out of your mouth.. please fuck off
and have a nice day

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