[Asterisk-Users] CallerID

[Steve Totaro]

Jay Milk wrote:
> Michelle,
>
> you sent a single message containing suggestions to me on 11/02/2005.  
> Your claim to have contacted me "many times" is clearly false.  Due to 
> demands outside the asterisk world, I have not been monitoring the 
> list, but I doubt that should have been necessary, considering that 
> contact information and even a mailing list are available for 
> cid-rewrite.
> Nobody at all contacted me about reverse lookup not working, and since 
> the script has published was "in production" here for over a month as 
> well as on many other servers, I have to question the validity of that 
> claim.
>
> My comments about spelling and commercial use are very productive.   
> Much unlike you seem to, I take pride in the work I do, and being 
> associated with something so poorly written as your changes to the 
> readme is an embarrassment to both of parties.  Additionally, 
> programming is a very exact process, and the quality of your 
> documentation betrays your ability.  I do maintain that you are in 
> fact misleading potential downloaders on the origin of the script.  
> You have removed contact information and effectively taken credit for 
> this work.
> You furthermore are offering paid support, which qualifies as 
> "commercial use" and you have neither asked for nor been granted 
> permission for commercial use of my intellectual property.
>
> Expect no help or cooperation from me in integrating your changes -- 
> your changes are hacks at best, and a far cry from the properly 
> architected changes I have planned and partially integrated in my 
> production script.
>
> In the meantime, either remove the download of this bastardized script 
> from your site, or add full contact information back into the readme 
> file and offer FREE support for it.  Please comply within 72 hours of 
> receipt of this message.
>
> Regards,
> -- Jay Milk
>
> Technical Support wrote:
>> Jay,
>>
>> I contacted you many times regarding the script, whether you planned to
>> update it, suggestions for features, etc.  You did not respond to any 
>> of my
>> later emails.  Similarly, there was discussion between list members
>> regarding whether this script was orphaned after changes to 411.com 
>> made the
>> reverse lookup non-functional - for a long time.  I assumed 
>> responsibility
>> for updating the script as a courtesy to Asterisk users.
>>
>> Your comments about spelling, resale, etc. are abrasive, 
>> unproductive, and
>> misleading.  Not only is the script available without charge on the web
>> site, credit to you remains with the script - in fact even the 
>> download link
>> of the web site gives you credit!  And of course, why would I update the
>> script and then encourage users to download an older version from 
>> another
>> site?
>>
>> If you have time to dedicate to the cid_rewrite project terrific - I 
>> would
>> rather see one stream benefit all users.  Let's work to integrate 
>> changes
>> going forward.  If you would prefer not to, I would be pleased to 
>> rename the
>> script so that there is no confusion.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Michelle
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jay Milk [mailto:ast-users at skimmilk.net] Sent: Saturday, April 
>> 08, 2006 1:05 AM
>> To: Technical Support; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial
>> Discussion; Michael Stahl
>> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] CallerID
>>
>> Michelle,
>>
>> 1. Courtesy would suggest that you would have contacted the author of 
>> the
>> script (me) to ask permission to modify this and host it elsewhere. 
>> 2. What possessed you to remove ALL credits and original download 
>> location
>> from the readme file?  Are you trying to pawn other people's work off as
>> yours?
>> 3. It's not exactly smart to continue someone else's versioning 
>> scheme if
>> you're intending to make a "fork". 4. Your spelling is atrocious.
>> 5. The script is not orphaned, even though you seem to imply this in the
>> readme file.
>>
>> Since you are selling support for this script, that qualifies as 
>> commercial
>> use and is expressly prohibited by the micro-license included in the
>> original script.  Please remove it from your download page until you 
>> have
>> made arrangements for further distribution with me.  I'm utterly 
>> amazed at
>> the bad form I see here.
>>
>> Downloads of the original script are available here:
>> http://www.muware.com/asterisk/
>>
>> The script is alive and working well, and I've made various 
>> enhancements to
>> user-requests in the recent past.
>>
>> -- JM
>>
>>
>> Technical Support wrote:
>>  
>>> Miles,
>>>
>>> You can also download cid_rewrite from www.generationd.com  This PHP 
>>> script looks up the phone numbers in a local MySQL table, and/or 
>>> uses reverse 411 on the web to lookup the name, and/or more options.
>>>
>>> Michelle
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
>>> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Alejandro Vargas
>>> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 4:07 AM
>>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] CallerID
>>>
>>> 2006/4/7, Miles Scruggs <asterisk at garnetweb.com>:
>>>      
>>>> Could you give me an example code of how this would work, and how 
>>>> to setup the database, I'm pretty new and while what you have 
>>>> written makes sense, and sounds like a good plan I'm not sure I can 
>>>> implement it.
>>>>           
>>> I'm using my own agi-bin for "patching" callerid and adding the name 
>>> if the number is found in a table (a csv that is mantained with a 
>>> spreadsheet), it adds the name taken from this table. Then you can 
>>> see the name in the display of the phones.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Alejandro Vargas
>>> _______________________________________________
I have no idea what the issues here are, nor do I care but I do have a 
question about this statement "Since you are selling support for this 
script, that qualifies as commercial
use and is expressly prohibited by the micro-license included in the
original script."  Is this an accurate statement?  Don't alot of firms 
provide support for opensource software?  I thought it was only 
considered commercial use if it is sold as a product and source was not 
supplied.  I have not read the microlicense but couldnt Microsoft 
include such a microlicense and prevent any other firms from supporting 
MS products?

Thanks,
Steve