[Asterisk-Users] please recommend phones with adsi.

Fri Oct 28 01:41:50 MST 2005

On Friday 28 October 2005 07:30, C F wrote:
> As I said it could exist, but I'm only guessing here that the posts
> about ADSI over SIP channels are (again this just my guess) only for
> the SIP channel to allow for the ADSI scripts to be downloaded into
> the phones. Since it's like faxing that doesn't really work nicely
> over SIP (or VoIP for that matter). SIP in itself will never support
> ADSI, since its stupid to do so (what they all do now is xml or xhtml
> based services like what Cisco and Polycom support). But ATAs that use
> SIP might have an ADSI compliant phone connected to the ATA and that
> needs to be able to download the ADSI scripts which right now works
> best over PRI or analog but not VoIP.
> As for the the theory that a softphone that supports ADSI could exist,
> while I can't deny it, there will at best be one for testing the real
> analog phones, but not for actual end user usage.
> ADSI is a technology that allows:
> 1. The execution of scripts on the phone, thru which communication
> between the phone and the host (in our case Asterisk) is done using
> soft buttons on the phone, that are sent as DTMF to the host.
> 2. The download of scripts and info from the host to the phone, so
> that the phone will display the right softbuttons, at the right time.
> For 1 any phone soft or hardphone works (since it's all just DTMF),
> what the ADSI application does is script those DTMF commands. You can
> take any phone and create a speed dial that sends the DTMF you want,
> but it wont be interactive. However if you have an ADSI phone the
> scripts will get activated and send the DTMF commands using
> softbuttons that get updated using the ADSI script it downloaded using
> 2 above. For that reason you can take an ADSI phone that has been
> preprogrammed let's say for Asterisk and have it plugged into to an
> ATA and it should be able to do most of the magic stuff.
> Number 2 above will run into problems if you don't use PRI or POTS,
> since it relies on analog technology like faxing, that is (again my
> guess) what the posts at asterisk-dev have been about.
> For the above reasons a real good excuse is needed to explain why, and
> how a softphone ADSI could be created, when we now have php, perl, and
> what not.
> CallerID is just one thing that ADSI did for us, the 390 or 450 do much
> more.
>
> Some more info:
> http://www.asteriskguru.com/tutorials/adsi_conf.html
>

Thanks, thats a good link.

Chris Coulthurst, thank you for your recommendation. Thats exactly what I 
would like to know: what phone people are using and which work good with 
Asterisk voicemail.

Dmitry.

> On 10/27/05, Chris Coulthurst <asterisk at shuksan.com> wrote:
> > So much for not stepping on toes.
> >
> > Incidently, there have been dev-asterisk posts in the past relating to
> > ADSI tones being processed through a SIP channel, so theoretically, a
> > softphone 'could' exist.  I've been hard-pressed just to find any
> > documentation via google explaining any ADSI-command-standards-list. 
> > I've seen some ADSI telephones that have little more than glorified
> > caller ID, while others (like the 390 or 450) that have priorities, soft
> > keys, etc etc)
> >
> > So, yes, it is also possible that a softphone could exist....
> >
> > Chris
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "C F" <shmaltz at gmail.com>
> > To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"
> > <asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 12:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] please recommend phones with adsi.
> >
> > On 10/27/05, Chris Coulthurst <asterisk at shuksan.com> wrote:
> > > I sure like my Aastra 390, the voicemail ADSI app works pretty well
> > > (only a
> > > couple of incompleted functions, like not exiting by hanging up the
> > > speakerphone, rather than go to a reorder tone.
> > >
> > > As for the 'look at the wiki' comment, I'm not trying to get on
> > > anyone's badside, but Dmitry was asking for recommendations, not
> > > documentation. Sorry, not pointing fingers, but I see that 'blanket
> > > answer' of going to to
> > > Wiki all too often on here lately ;)
> >
> > I hope you are talking about the same post from Dmitry. The following
> >
> > is Dmitrys post:
> > > > Hello,
> > > > can somebody recommend me any hard or may be even softphones which
> > > > support
> > > > ADSI. I would like to work with Asterisk voicemail application using
> > > > ADSI.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Dmitry
> >
> > For which I responded look at the wiki and I even included a direct
> > link to the wiki. I don't see in any way how this doesn't answer his
> > question. In any case it sure doesn't look like he has any clue of
> > *any* ADSI phones, since he asking for a softphone that supports ADSI,
> > while I can't say it doens't exist or there is no use for it (BTW, I'm
> > almost sure it doesn't exist), there sure isn't a market for it. Since
> > ADSI is something made to work on Analog networks.
> >
> > While if you were asking for good jazz music the Sam Goody answer
> > wouldn't do, if you had no clue what jazz music is then the Sam Goody
> > answer is the right answer.
> >
> > In most cases when you see that blanket answer of go to the wiki, it
> > is becuase the person posting the question has thru the question told
> > everyone I havn't seen the wiki yet. Which BTW was the case here.
> >
> > Hope this helps you understand why that answer was in place. Please
> > don't take this as being on my badside I'm just trying to explain to
> > you what RTFM means.
> >
> > All of us are busy with somethings, we take our time to answer the
> > questions here on the list it doesn't mean that we are here to do the
> > work for you so that you could be a lazy bum. If someone is lacking
> > the knowledge of searching the wiki and shows that thru posting that
> > question of any soft phones supporting ADSI, I answerd the question
> > with the most repect I could gather for the 2 seconds by directing
> > them to the wiki, since with that question they showed they had no
> > clue the wiki exists, and if Dmitry will tell me that he did know
> > about the wiki and still posted the question the way he did, then he
> > did not deserve my 2 seconds.
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