[Asterisk-Users] Terrible echo with Te110P and Adit 600

[Darren Wright]

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Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Terrible echo with Te110P and Adit 600

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> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of Darren
Wright
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> Subject: [Asterisk-Users] Terrible echo with Te110P and Adit 600
> 
> 8 POTS lines - Adit 600 - TE110P - Dell Precision 530 Dual 
> Xeon running 1.0.9 and 1.2 (tried both)
> 
> The echo is insurmountable.  I have tried everything, and the 
> pots lines are clean.  If I go from an FXO on the Adit 600 straight to
an FXS, I
> get no echo from an analog phone.  

No echo that you can hear - remeber that echo relies on two things, a
reflected signal and a delay between the transmission and the reception
of the signal long enough for the brain to perceive it. Looping the
channel bank will not introduce any delays. Passing through Asterisk
will, by design.

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I meant that if I take an incoming POTS line to the FXO port, map that
to the FXS, and then make a call from the analog phone to the same
person that I tried calling on the Cisco 7960, the echo on the 7960 is
terrible, and the FXS port is just fine.  
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> I put an 128ms T1 echo canceller in between the adit and the 
> TE110P, and the echo was still horrible.  
> 
> I finally disabled the Zapata echo canceller....and WHAMMO!  It's
> perfect now.  
> 

It sounds like something is confusing the zaptel canceller causing it to
distort the signal. It seems to be very sensitive to signals that are
too 'hot' (ie. too loud). Try lowering the gain on the signal going out
of the channel bank into the T1. If it's too quiet try increasing the RX
gain on the Zaptel side to compensate.

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Agreed.  I've tried them lowered to the point that DTMF becomes an
issue, and they have the volume pegged on the 7960's to even hear the
callers.  I cannot adjust the TX/RX on the T1 coming out of the Adit
600.  I can adjust the FXO ports, as well as the TE110P.  

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> Any ideas so I don't have to spend $1000 on an echo canceller?
> 

I provided the patches to 1.2 that formed the basis for the kb1 echo
canceller, which is a derivative of the mark2 used in v1.0, and I still
use a 64ms Tellabs hardware echo can as well as the zaptel echo
canceller. Note that, in my case at least, the zaptel tends to handle
those echos that leak through the Tellabs gear - such as acoustic room
echos from speaker phones or cheap cordless handsets. 

If you need the echo issue resolved, stick with hardware cancellation.
If you don't want to spend $1k, take a look at
http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Tellabs+Hardware+Echo+Cancellers.
It's not everyones cup of tea, but it works fine for me which is why I
shared it.

The Zaptel echo can will be fixed so it performs predictably for
everyone eventually, but until then go with 3rd party T1 gear if you
want it reliably avoided.
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Yup....got one running at home thanks to your WIKI.  But for clients
moving forward, I need something a bit more mainstream.  I'm
disappointed that the TE110P + adit 600 has been an issue on multiple
systems now, and that the software echo canceller has been a major
failure.  

It makes that solution WAY to expensive with the echo
canceller....that's well into the 2k range, and a good FXO - SIP gateway
with echo canceling is significantly less than that.  

Thanks for your help

-Darren