[Asterisk-Users] Sprint Nextel sueing over VoIP patents

Wed Oct 5 14:08:29 MST 2005

Before people jump at the abstracts, remember that patent abstracts are very generic, and later they must be more specific.  I am away this week but if its not answered by next I will look into it more, maybe there will be more news, maybe ill check pacer for the filing...

-----Original Message-----
    From: "Gleim, Jason"<jgleim at ats-ohio.com>
    Sent: 10/5/05 2:05:44 PM
    To: "Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion"<asterisk-users at lists.digium.com>
    Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Sprint Nextel sueing over VoIP patents
      I'll start with the disclaimer that I am not an attorney... nor do I
    play one on TV...

    But, a search of the US Patent & Trademark Office reveals 13 patents
    assigned to Sprint that deal with VoIP. (http://www.uspto.gov/)

    6947411
    6944150
    6937869
    6909690
    6870857
    6868081
    6865398
    6741695
    6731735
    6697097
    6681116
    6556826
    6373930

    Of particular interest are the '9690, '4150, '1695, '3930 patents.

    '9690 is a patent on call admission control using silence suppression to
    better utilize network bandwidth. Specifically, it seems to deal with a
    method to apply adaptive silence suppression at the customer site...
    presumably in the ATA.

    '4150 is a patent on a 'gateway' layer to be implemented between a
    customer and the communications network as a means of offering and
    controlling services offered as well as optimizing the deliver of those
    services.

    '1695 is a patent on a method to interface packet-based and
    circuit-switched networks. It specifically mentions SIP and other
    protocols and how to interface them to signaling and voice paths in a
    circuit-switched network.

    Finally, '3930 is a patent on a method to 'redirect' call setup through
    a third party for the purposes of service restriction or authorization.
    Basically it's a method of implementing pre-paid service on a packet
    network.

    The only one that seems to me that would directly apply to the *
    community may be the '4150 or '1695 patents. But I don't know enough
    about patent law to know if it would be worth their time or if they
    would even have a case.

    There *maybe* something there too with some of the prepaid modules, like
    AstCC, if they could argue it was hosted on a separate system. Again, I
    don't know enough of the specifics to make an educated guess.

    OK... now that I did my part to add to the FUD, maybe somebody that
    knows more can build on what I found.

    Jason

    -----Original Message-----
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    [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of John Todd
    Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 3:05 PM
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    Cc: asterisk-biz at lists.digium.com
    Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] Sprint Nextel sueing over VoIP patents

    At 2:43 PM -0700 10/4/05, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote:
    >
    >Sprint Nextel is sueing vonage, voiceglo and theglobe.com for
    infringing
    >on VoIP patents.  Sprint Nextel claims to have about 100 patents on
    VoIP
    >technologies.  Does anyone know which ones this article is talking
    >about, and if so does asterisk have any of those features? 
    >
    >The reason I am asking is that the article is vague, Vonage uses a
    >fairly standard codec set, I dont know about the others.  So if its not
    >codecs I wonder if its something so generic that the patent would be
    >tossed out upon challenge. 
    >
    >Anyone thinking about doing a VoIP business may want to get more info
    >before proceeding since they may not have the millinos vonage has to
    >fight this.
    >
    >http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2005/10/03/daily23
    .html
    >--
    >Trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com     Bret McDanel
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    This perhaps is quite relevant to the Asterisk community.

    While I don't know the specifics about Vonage, I do know that they 
    have been rumored to have (in the past, or present) used Asterisk in 
    their core for some services.  (Voicemail?  Conference?  Messages?) 
    This, however, is not confirmed.

    http://www.ilocus.com/ui_dataFiles/news18aug05.htm
    http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&safe=off&c2cof
    f=1&q=%22vonage+uses+asterisk%22&btnG=Search

    According to public information, Voiceglo uses IAX and Asterisk:

    http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2004-February/036311.ht
    ml
      http://www.business2.com/b2/web/articles/0,17863,1059204,00.html

    FYI: Voiceglo and theglobe.com are the same company for all intents 
    and purposes.

    Therefore, I am very interested to see if this is merely 
    co-incidental or if there is a reason that Sprint picked out two 
    providers that use Asterisk in their core.  Despite hysteria or 
    misinformation on this (and other) lists, there is no direct 
    information that I've seen that this is Sprint making a blanket 
    patent lawsuit against anyone using VoIP.  Perhaps this is just some 
    specific feature that they have a legitimate patent on which has been 
    infringed.  I doubt this is a codec patent issue, nor an equipment 
    patent issue (as previously discussed on -biz list.)

    Is there anyone with better detail on the lawsuit specifics able to
    comment?

    JT
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