[Asterisk-Users] Qs about FXO/FXS cards

[Damon Estep]

Steven, I am starting to understand... you actually enjoy being a bully
don't you :)

Damon

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-
> bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Steven Critchfield
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 9:52 PM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Qs about FXO/FXS cards
> 
> On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 20:14 -0600, brian at txshirts.com wrote:
> > Gosh, you sure are full of yourself.
> 
> Looks like you didn't get enough caffeine into your body before
> responding. Ohh well....
> 
> > You just shouldn't ASSume that everyone knows all of the
abbreviations
> > and when they ask you needn't be rude.  Being condescending is the
first
> > sign that a consultant is shallow and not worth using.  A *good*
> > consultant will take the time to explain things and will never bash
the
> > situation that a customer or potential customer is in.
> 
> Boy am I glad I am not a consultant and I don't have to deal with them
> very often. And I hope you understand that if all the effort you can
put
> forth is to ask questions with no research behind the question, you
> won't make it very far yourself.
> 
> > Hardware and technology never become obsolete, they simply become
> > outgrown.  A customer's given choice in technology is typically made
> > based on the best available balance of money, commitment, and need.
> > Making high handed and unqualified statements is a waste of your
time
> > and mine.  T-1's are rather unpleasant to move and for most small
> > businesses are completely unnecessary, in my opinion.
> 
> Funny. Obsolete is when the majority of people determine it would be
> better to be impaled by a red hot poker than use the technology. Well
> actually I think the thresh hold is quite a bit lower. How many
serious
> companies are still using PDP's in production? Know of any one still
> seriously using 8088's on the desktop?
> 
> T1's aren't anymore painful to move than several analog lines. Add to
> that that you don't need a T1 to use T1 interfaces as I'll point out
> below.
> 
> > While you may have the money to burn by having a t-1 at home, most
small
> > business owners would rather use what is necessary as opposed to
what is
> > extravegant.  And as you so nicely put in your other post, customers
who
> > come off the dime are a joy to work with.  And I suspect most of
them
> > wouldn't tinker with * they would go straight to Cisco or Nortel, or
a
> > "brand" name that works turn key.
> 
> Maybe you should read and fully comprehend before starting replies. It
> is very helpful to do inline posting so you can see what it is your
> responding to. It is possible you might have figured out how much you
> missed if it was closer to what you where writing. Specifically I
stated
> that at home I had a T1 card and a channel bank. There was never a
> mention of a T1 circuit. To finish connecting the dots for you, I did
> VoIP to the office and had 24 extension capability and about 17 actual
> extensions on my system at home.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven Critchfield [mailto:critch at basesys.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 2:59 PM
> > To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> > Subject: RE: [Asterisk-Users] Qs about FXO/FXS cards
> >
> > You may need more coffee before responding to another message.
> >
> > On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 14:21 -0600, brian at txshirts.com wrote:
> > > Steven,
> > >   If we grant that you are correct and that Digium and friends are
> > > making hobbyist products..... Then what are the "serious" installs
> > > using?  We're serious to the tune of 5 FXO ports and 3 FXS ports
and I
> >
> > > want to make sure we don't waste time on flaky hardware.  I
figured
> > > that as Digium built the hardware and wrote the original code they
> > > probably know it better then anyone else.  You just seem to know a
lot
> >
> > > about the serious installs so I'm curious what you use and how
many
> > > lines you run with it.
> >
> > Digium makes T1 and E1 interfaces. Take a moment and read what I
have
> > quoted below and you will see I said serious installs would be using
> > these T1 and E1 interfaces.
> >
> > If you truely wanted to know what I use and how much I have
installed,
> > you only need look at the archives. The company I work for has a T1
> > fully deployed right now and are expecting a second one any week
now. We
> > have extra capacity in hardware reserved for a customer of ours who
has
> > expressed interest in upgrading soon and needs more lines.
> >
> > I used to even have a T1 card and channel bank to run my home system
> > till I grew bored of it and decided it was better to spend my time
doing
> > other things than managing the phones at home. Currently that system
> > minus the server is with VCCH.com and they use it occasionally for
> > demonstrations.
> >
> > > Btw, we are a textbook "small office" install according to the
docs.
> >
> > And barely over the home use of a truely geeky person. I think you
> > actually qualify as sub-"small office".
> >
> > > Also what the heck is FC?
> >
> > Fedora Core, Join that to the obvious question you will ask later,
RH ==
> > Red Hat. Don't forget how to use google to look things up now.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 2005-01-03 at 14:07 -0600 Steven Critchfield wrote
> > > And we come full circle to a comment I made before that TDM cards
are
> > > more for hobbyist than for real serious installs. A real install
is
> > > probably going to use a T1/E1 interface and bypasses all the
troubles
> > > listed in this thread.
> > >
> > > So far I don't trust that many of the people using TDM cards are
the
> > > ones who will tweak a system into a serious install. Look at
previous
> > > threads about system load spikes where we have to pull teeth to
get
> > > people to swap out of a FC kernel and into a generic kernel.
> 
> --
> Steven Critchfield <critch at basesys.com>
> 
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