[Asterisk-Users] Re: Teliax billing question

[Jimmy Smith]

FYI 60/1 measn first 60 seoncd billed then each 1 /60th of a minute

so 1minute 25 second call is billed as 1 minute 25
  45 second as one minute
wher the first number is minimum seconds

so 6/6 is first 6 seconds no matter what then every block of 6 seconds..

6/1 well you get the point..

its like cell carriers..

where some bill per minute others like canada fido per second..



On 12/19/05, trixter aka Bret McDanel <trixter at 0xdecafbad.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 10:13 -0800, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> > >>     from: http://www.trac.org/news/2005/tracnotes-vol-3-22.html
> > >
> > > The scam isn't new, and its certainly not limited to home 800 numbers.
> > > The same basic principles were used by some of the 900 number folks
> > > a few years ago as well.
> >
> > My fear wasn't that someone would stuff phony charges on my bill (like
> > charges for 900 calls that were never made).  I was more afraid of the
> > case where someone in bad faith war-dials the 800 number so they can
> > collect the 60-cent (???) per call payphone charge.  Will VOIP
> > providers let your dispute this charge because the calls were made in
> > bad-faith or is this simply a grin-and-bear it type situation?
> >
>
> That could be covered under 18 USC 1343 (wire fraud).  afaik there has
> not been a single case that was prosecuted, and for the payphone
> operator (providing they meet the compensation requirements of the FCC
> rules - 13.65 comes to mind but I havent owned a payphone business since
> 1998 so I may not remember correctly) to make up some wild story about
> how it was a kid or something (which doesnt negate the payphone
> operators claim to compensation).  An elligible payphone must be
> available for the general public to get access to it.
>
> All payments are typically made through clearinghouses as opposed to
> inidvidual carriers processing the billing.  This makes fraud tracking
> slightly easier since all the calls are there.  They have kept averages
> of total calls by a payphone to compensatable numbers, carrier averages
> (ie mci, sprint, at&t, etc) and stuff that way.
>
> If someone were to use an auto dialer to call a tollfree they violate at
> least 47 CFR 64.1200 and I think a criminal statute too (I dont remember
> where in the USC it is anymore, but there is one for that).
>
> According to the FCC rules back in 1997-98 on this matter even if fraud
> is suspected you must pay the payphone operator.  They also talk about
> civil damages being sought, but that doesnt preclude criminal charges,
> only gives you easy rights to sue, which of course costs money and the
> burden of proof is then upon you.
>
>
> > I understand that within the PSTN there is a 2-bit value associated
> > with the class of phone that the call is placed from (normal,
> > payphone, prison-phone).  If voip/pstn gateways started passing this
> > on it might make it easier for folks to guard against payphone scams
> > by configuring their asterisk to only answer the 800 calls made from
> > normal residential phones.
>
> Any reasonable provider should be able to block those calls, however in
> a blocking situation its all or nothing.  If you have ani you can look
> for the same number calling over and over and reject it that way.  You
> should have ani with a tollfree.
>
> The additional info is commonly not sent and afaik there is no
> 'standard' way to send that.  SIP IM might work (that is how verisign
> sends SS7 info in their SIP-7 product so doing something in this case
> shouldnt be *too* hard but the provider has to agree to it).
>
>
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