[Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature

Thu Apr 21 00:06:13 MST 2005

cool. see, no need to fight anyone. you people are crazy.

lufffff...

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, trixter http://www.0xdecafbad.com wrote:

> you did a great parody of him completly ignoring what I was saying and
> going off on something unrelated to what I say just to get MS bashing
> in.  Gotta love people who disregard what is said thinking that it has
> to be all or nothing.  You say that in some way a company did something
> that is good beyond themselves and all of a sudden people attack you for
> saying that everything the company did is great, which was never said.
>
>
> I wonder what makes people snap that way.  Is it sheer stupidity and
> inability to read or do they live in a total fantasy land.
>
> Now to make this more asterisk, I will be releasing code within a week
> that is a better than festival TTS engine.  Caching support, better than
> speek and spell v1.1 voice, infact the engine supports a few languages,
> male and female speakers and even US & UK english dialects (as well as a
> couple dialects of spanish and a few other languages).
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 15:36 -0400, Race Vanderdecken wrote:
>> Wow! What a great fight!
>>
>> Let me egg you guys on.
>>
>> " Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny
>> things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing
>> systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing
>> their market dominance."
>>
>> As someone who worked under DOS. And by "under" I mean we loaded first,
>> then loaded DOS on top of us so DOS would make the pre-NETBIOS world
>> calls and file calls to us. And as one of the Original Windows 1.x, 2.x,
>> 3.x, 95, 98, NT, Windows 2000, XP developers I can tell you some
>> stories.
>>
>> Neither DOS nor MS ever did anything funny to trick anybody. The Code
>> was just poor code. Unless you actually meet and worked with Aaron, one
>> of the original MS DOS guys, you have a clue.
>>
>> Come on. Does anyone really think that a developer would try to cheat
>> people?
>>
>> It was those business clowns who lied; not the developers.
>>
>> Why is it that the conspiracy guys are all lousy developers or spaceship
>> probed Red Necks?
>>
>> Long live Linux! Screw Apple. I hope MS goes broke.
>>
>> Race "the tyrannical ludite" Vandedecken
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com
>> [mailto:asterisk-users-bounces at lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Walt Reed
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 2:21 PM
>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] US$200 bounty for * paging feature
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 09:01:56AM -0700, trixter
>> http://www.0xdecafbad.com said:
>>> On Wed, 2005-04-20 at 09:36 -0400, Walt Reed wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2005 at 06:24:09PM -0700, trixter
>> http://www.0xdecafbad.com said:
>>>>> as a whole.  I enjoy cheap computers, if it were not for microsoft
>>>>> creating windows, making computers easier to use for everyone, the
>> mass
>>>>> production and highly competitive hardware market would not exist.
>> If
>>>>> that didnt happen the $300 computer of today would likely not
>> exist, and
>>>>> if it did it would cost more like computers did 20 years ago,
>> $2000+ for
>>>>> a bare system.
>>>>
>>>> <rantmode>
>>>>
>>>> Um, that's total bullshit. Low computer prices and "ease of use"
>> would have
>>>> existed if MS was never around. You completely dismiss billions of
>> man
>>>> hours of hard work by those outside MS making advances in hardware
>> and
>>>> software around the world. To make a statement like that, you show a
>>>> total lack of knowledge of the industry.
>>>>
>>>
>>> and hoiw many operating systems were so popular during the 80s and
>> early
>>> 90s?  What operating system shipped on almost every computer during
>> that
>>> period?
>>
>> BTW, in the 80's, it wasn't windows - it was DOS (I know, well before
>> your time.) Again, nobody could really compete with the IBM / MS /
>> compaq x86 platform dominance, so the ONLY real choice on that platform
>> was Dos, although there were a few specialty OS's and extensions (OS/2,
>> QNX, Desqview/X, etc.) I realize you wouldn't know about them, comming
>> into the game rather late. It wasn't until Windows 3.1 in the early 90's
>> that there was a relativly stable (if you could call it that) windowing
>> system from MS (despite that other companies had been doing it for many
>> years.) Bundling and restrictive contracts made it impossible to
>> compete. Furthermore, (if you knew your history) MS had been doing funny
>> things with DOS / and windows to make it difficult for other windowing
>> systems and DOS clones to work with MS-DOS / Windows, further cementing
>> their market dominance.
>>
>>> I dont think I lack understanding of the industry I think that I
>>> remember clearly that windows was shipped on that, I think that
>> whether
>>> or not it resulted in an anti-trust conviction microsoft did make it
>>> easier for people to use computers and thus more sold.
>>
>> Again, your lack of experience with and knowledge of other OS's shows
>> otherwise.
>>
>>> I am sorry that you are so bigioted to think that other operating
>>> systems dominated the market during that period, and cant accept that
>>> windows was the #1 operating system by a clear margin in terms of
>>> installed systems.
>>
>> Did I say they dominated? No. Please work on your reading comprehention.
>> There was competition on the OS front, but it's hard to knock out the
>> market leader, and impossible when they won't play fairly (legally.)
>>
>>>>> I have worked for over 10 years in the software development
>> industry and
>>>>
>>>> Then you entered the industry far too late to know the real history
>> of
>>>> computing, have read too many MS revisionist history books, or were
>>>> hiding under a rock.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I started using computers in 1976.  I dont think I entered too late.
>> As
>>> for reading MS revisionist history books, no but I think that you have
>>> been readiung too many anti-MS revisionist history books.  The
>>> popularity of a personal computer in the home was not made with cp/m
>> it
>>> was not made with coherent (a unix for the pc before linux was
>> around).
>>> It was not made by os/2, it was not made by any mac.  Computers did
>> not
>>> fully become so incredibly popular until windows.  look at any
>>> historical sales reports and see when the numbers started increasing
>>> dramatically.
>>
>> Again, bundling, restrictive contracts, buying and killing your
>> competition, sueing your competition, not working with standardsm etc.
>> These are the things that created the dominance.  You can't possible
>> comprehend reality until you are willing to accept these facts. BTW, if
>> you really started using computers in 76, in what capcity? Playing Pong?
>>
>>> Recall all the software shops that sold software, why was it that at
>>> least 90% was for windows and the remaining 10% for all other
>> operating
>>> systems for a great many years?  Why did all the computer shows that
>>> were oh so popular during that period sell mostly for the wintel
>>> platform?
>>
>> That was not always true. If you REALLY have been professionally using
>> computers since 76 (or even 1990) you would realize that this was not
>> true until the early 90's.
>>
>>>> For example, The Amiga for example had a wonderful OS, great
>>>> multi-tasking, awesome windowing interface etc. over 10 years before
>> MS
>>>
>>> but it never sold as well.  You fail to understand that its sales that
>>> drove the cost down.  os/2 was better than windows at multitasking
>> too,
>>> but again it didnt sell so well.  Granted there was evilness by
>>> microsoft that resulted in antitrust convictions over some of that but
>>> you just proved how clueless you are.
>>
>> How many times do I have to say it? Bundling, restrictive contracts,
>> unfair / illegal business practices!!!
>>
>>> You know nothing if you try to bring up the amiga when we are talking
>>> about sales.
>>
>> Um, re-read my paragraph below that you had to move out of the way when
>> you typed that.
>>
>>> And you try to say that I dont know what I am talking
>>> about?
>>
>> Damn straight. Exactly. And your reading comprehention sucks.
>>
>>
>>>> (some would argue longer.) Comodore didn't have a chance against the
>>>> mighty combo of IBM, MS, Compaq. and other x86 hardware and software
>>>> vendors in the business world (the Amiga was originally designed as
>> a
>>>> game machine and could never escape the stigma AND had the same
>>>> bone-headed single hardware source issue that Apple has. Poor
>> management
>>>> / marketing also contributed to the companies death.) (Speaking of
>>>> Apple, it boggles the mind that it took them over 15 years to add
>>>> multi-tasking to their product line - and yes, I am dismissing their
>>>> prior failed unix attempt.)
>>>>
>>> You make excuses for the fact that they didnt sell as well as
>> microsoft,
>>> and still try to insist that I dont know what I am talking about when
>> I
>>> say that MS sold more units which drove the cost down (I specifically
>>> made that point in my previous email).
>>
>> Computers would have sold in similar numbers without Windows / DOS.
>> Someone else would have taken their place, and it most likely would have
>> been a better product. That, my friend, is the reality you refuse to
>> accept. What you are claiming is that that nobody else could have
>> possibly done the same thing. That's crap. As I pointed out, superiour
>> technology existed YEARS yearlier. Bill just happened to be in the right
>> place at the right time. Go read the history of MS-DOS and learn.
>>
>>>> MS has no effective competition due to their illegal business
>> practices,
>>>> killing off alternatives (BeOS is a recent example) by pressuring
>> large ISV's
>>>> to only write for the Windows OS, restrictive contracts with
>> hardware
>>>> vendors, and other sleezy tactics. They effectivly killed Java on
>> the
>>>> desktop. They continue with a powerful FUD campaign against Linux,
>>>> Apple, Firefox, etc. I could go on, and on, and on.
>>>>
>>> Yes and you would be proving me right and that you have no clue when
>> you
>>> say I am wrong.  Thanks for that.
>>
>> I noticed that you didn't refute any of my claims. Hmm.
>>
>>>> publicly available documentation is a good thing.) Unfortunately the
>>>> reality of business means that we have to deal with this horrible
>>>> corporation and their aweful software. MS and their single platform
>> (for
>>>> servers and desktop anyway) means that we are still saddled with the
>>>> horrible x86 architecture, the interrupt structure, bus, bios, etc.
>>>> (essentially most everything about a PC.) By the way, that
>> architecture
>>>> is why it's so hard to make reliable hardware, why we need an
>> external
>>>> card to get a reliable timer device, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Deal with them?  You started this out by saying I was wrong that MS
>>> wasnt that big of a coimpany.  Why would you have to deal with them.
>>
>> Again, your reading comprehention is horrible. You can't even remeber
>> what you wrote above!!! I quote again:
>>
>>   if it were not for microsoft creating windows, making computers easier
>>   to use for everyone, the mass production and highly competitive
>> hardware
>>   market would not exist.
>>
>> This is the prime statement I am disputing. Again, it totally dismissing
>> such basic concepts as Moore's law, and dismisses all the work done by
>> everyone outside of MS. I am NOT disputing that MS is a large company.
>> Nowhere did I claim otherwise. You also dismissed my facts by ignoring
>> them.
>>
>>> Oh I get it you are clueless and just wanted to tell me I am wrong
>>> becuase I said something good about MS and that affects your religion.
>>
>> No, it's simply because you made (and continue to make) statements that
>> are untrue. As for religion, I am not the one making bogus statements
>> that MS was the cause of all computer good.
>>
>>> My mistake I wont offend your religion anymore, even though as you
>>> pointed out MS sold more units, and it was their operating system
>>> (windows specifically) that made it easier for a great many people to
>>> use computers, and as a result more systems sold which makes hardware
>>> cheaper.  I do love cheap hardware.
>>
>> See above.
>>
>>>> Before you spout off about how great MS has been to the industry,
>> maybe
>>>> you should learn a little about that industry and it's history
>> first,
>>>> M-kay?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I learned from you that I am right and you are nothing more than a
>> bigot
>>> who cant form a coherent argument to support his side, but can form
>> one
>>> to support the person he called an idiot.
>>
>> Pot, meet kettle. You can refute none of my statments, instead make
>> personal attacks. Go home little boy. You are way out of your league.
>>
>> Maybe some day you will grow up enough to stop hiding behind an alias,
>> but then people would know just how ignorant you really are.
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