[Asterisk-Users] Asterisk GUIs at Astricon * REMINDER *

[matt.riddell at sineapps.com]

On 29 Jul 2004 at 12:04, Kanuri, Seshu wrote:

> Benj,
> 
> This is not mud throwing. This is constructive criticism for the
> contributors to be more productive. 

1. Don't post in html...I have to scroll three pages to the right 
just to read it.

2. Don't top post.

> 
> Please remember that anything that is given here as "usable solution"
> should not only be usable but also useful. Whereas Destar is not. It
> just does not do anything. It has a totally blank vanilla interface to
> it.

3. Judging from the screenshots (and assuming you are correct) the 
author has decided to develop a GUI before doing the back end coding. 
 While this is not the direction I would choose, it is by all means a 
viable development option.

> Remember that the issue here is "GUI Solution for Managing Asterisk". 
> Destar does not fall into that category and the code written in Python
> just dont jell well with the Asterisk community, who are mostly
> Non-Techie novices trying to understand what is good about Asterisk.

4. Remember that GUI stands for Graphical User Interface.  This is 
obviously a GUI.  Does it manage Asterisk?  It looks like it's 
supposed to, whether or not the code has been developed for the back 
end?

> I made these comments as I have spent some time trying to figure out
> if Destar is really useful.

5. It's comments like these that stop people from releasing open 
source software.  How much is he charging you for it?  If I was him 
(and I hope he is slightly less hot headed than myself) I would have 
stopped developing the project and told you to....hrmmm public 
list....

6. Re the comment about python: Even though I don't use python, I 
would say that the variation definitely does Jel (as you put it) with 
the asterisk community.  I love it when someone develops code in one 
of my favourite language. 

7. Re everyone being newbie's: Not everyone here is a newbie.  Even 
if we were, it would be no excuse to not learn.  Surely the process 
of learning is what turns one from n0Ob to 31337.  Yes I understand 
that your average Jo user understands nothing about asterisk or linux 
or C or python etc, but in order to install asterisk, we've all had 
to at least have some interaction with Asterisk.

8. Re constructive critisism: The way this is usually done is to a) 
find something that you think would be better done another way, and 
b) if possible offer an option as to how it may be done in the 
future.  This is all crap is not constructive critisism.  Although 
saying you should do this in C (or whichever you'd prefer), this is 
not helpful constructive critisism as the developer has obviously 
developed thus far using other software.  (i.e. if I said to you 
build me a house, and then during the bulding phase you said can you 
move it 10 metres to the right, this would be difficult and more so 
the more time has passed since the developer began).

Sorry if this seems like a rant, but I've noticed a definate change 
in the way that the asterisk community is acting in the last two or 
three months, and it's not good.

Have a happy day,

Matt Riddell

> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com
> [mailto:asterisk-users-admin at lists.digium.com]On Behalf Of Sunrise Ltd
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:56 AM To: astusr Subject: Re:
> [Asterisk-Users] Asterisk GUIs at Astricon * REMINDER *
> 
> 
> Kanuri, Seshu wrote:
> 
> > You dont call this Destar or whatever
> > a "GUI Solution for Asterisk",  do you?
> 
> Did we or did we not just have a longer discussion about
> being nice to each other on this list after a reminder
> from Mark?
> 
> There are certainly things that can be improved with
> Destar and I am sure Holger will appreciate any
> constructive criticism. However, your comment looks more
> like mud throwing to me, not so nice.
> 
> rgds
> benjk
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