<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Hi!<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">I’m up to help on the working groups.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">1) About the work there not being reflected as patches to the source code I think the Matt idea of involving an Asterisk developer will make this easier to validate the ideas and not work in something that is not going to be on asterisk, so the time spent working is not in vain.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">2) ok</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">3) About mailing listst and wiki I’m agree with Dan, is hard to follow up. (I know this is a no go but Github would really be veary easy or even Bitbucket that has Bitbucket pipelines to execute builds and test with CI with PRs and code review)</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">What do you think about using gitter? or slack? the gitter could be added to the github mirror to be easy to get there ?</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">4) Meeting at the same hour weekly I see that hard to do it for everyone, for people in different timezones or even working commitments, maybe a more relaxed way of doing it? </div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">9) about the process to contribute maybe do it as it is now with gerrit reviews? and maybe access to the wiki to contribute on documentation too.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">just my thoughts, let me know what do you think.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">best regards</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">El mié., 9 de nov. de 2016 a la(s) 14:03, Matt Fredrickson <<a href="mailto:creslin@digium.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">creslin@digium.com</a>> escribió:<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I can add that to the list!<br class="gmail_msg">
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Matthew Fredrickson<br class="gmail_msg">
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On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 2:40 AM, Dan Jenkins <<a href="mailto:dan.jenkins88@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">dan.jenkins88@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Matthew Jordan <<a href="mailto:mjordan@digium.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">mjordan@digium.com</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 5:00 AM, Dan Jenkins <<a href="mailto:dan.jenkins88@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">dan.jenkins88@gmail.com</a>><br class="gmail_msg">
>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Matt Fredrickson <<a href="mailto:creslin@digium.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">creslin@digium.com</a>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> Hey All,<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> I've been thinking a lot about how working groups might work within<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> the context of the Asterisk project. Here are a few guidelines that I<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> have come up with governing working groups. Some of these guidelines<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> come from the Node project, as they have a lot of pre-existing<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> material on doing this. I deliberately avoided comprehensively<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> importing their structure and guidelines, but pulled from some of<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> their more essential core principles.<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> 1. There is no explicit or implicit commitment that a working group’s<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> output will actually be turned into code/patches by Digium or anybody<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> else outside of the working group.<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> 2. Some working group topics might include: documentation, feature<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> request list, benchmarking, debug-ability, bug tracker triaging and<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> replication, migration efforts from SIP to PJSIP (and more?)<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> 3. They need somewhere to “work” - so a section of the <a href="http://asterisk.org" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">asterisk.org</a><br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> wiki and probably a mailing list. This can be a work item for me to<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> get taken care of.<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> 4. Need a regular (weekly?) meeting time and “place” (an Asterisk<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> conference call, IRC, a google hangout, etc).<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> 5. Need a charter of some sort - a charter would be a clearly defined<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> mission statement determining the subject matter of the group’s<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> efforts.<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> 6. Need at least three initial members (pulled from node.js guidelines)<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> 7. Need to follow a consensus seeking process for any decisions<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus-seeking_decision-making" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus-seeking_decision-making</a>)<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> 8. Membership cannot be changed (added or removed) without unanimous<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> consensus of the members of the group (pulled from node.js guidelines)<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> 9. In order to create one, talk to me and I can see about getting<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> infrastructure (mailing list, wiki, git access) setup.<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> Let me know if you have any thoughts, questions, or qualms with the<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> above guidelines. I'll wiki-fy the results of any discussion here.<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> --<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> Matthew Fredrickson<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> Digium, Inc. | Engineering Manager<br class="gmail_msg">
>>>> 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>>> asterisk-dev mailing list<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>> Hi Matt,<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>> Firstly, thanks for compiling all of this.<br class="gmail_msg">
>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>> Some comments around having the discussions etc.<br class="gmail_msg">
>>><br class="gmail_msg">
>>> Please, no more mailing lists. Please? I'd rather not use the wiki for<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> working groups - the wiki doesn't encourage conversation; instead its a<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> place to go to document something and maybe write some comments on it - its<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> really not the best place to have a conversation - I guess this is where the<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> mailing lists come in but I'd love to get away from mailing lists - we have<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> discourse now for example which is a MUCH better environment to have these<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> conversations. I'd personally like to just replicate the node.js environment<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> on github, with github issues and labels etc but its been made clear that<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> isn't really an option unfortunately.<br class="gmail_msg">
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>>> There was talk of needing at least one core contributor (doesn't need to<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> be a digium employee in my mind) to be one of the 3 initial members - is<br class="gmail_msg">
>>> this still true?<br class="gmail_msg">
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>> I mentioned that I thought it would be a good idea to have an Asterisk<br class="gmail_msg">
>> Developer involved in any working group, simply as they can help to validate<br class="gmail_msg">
>> the feasibility of an idea. Whether or not that should be a requirement is<br class="gmail_msg">
>> up for debate.<br class="gmail_msg">
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>> --<br class="gmail_msg">
>> Matthew Jordan<br class="gmail_msg">
>> Digium, Inc. | CTO<br class="gmail_msg">
>> 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA<br class="gmail_msg">
>> Check us out at: <a href="http://digium.com" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://digium.com</a> & <a href="http://asterisk.org" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://asterisk.org</a><br class="gmail_msg">
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>> asterisk-dev mailing list<br class="gmail_msg">
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> Matt J - I like the idea personally - it was just missing from the list Matt<br class="gmail_msg">
> F made :)<br class="gmail_msg">
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Digium, Inc. | Engineering Manager<br class="gmail_msg">
445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA<br class="gmail_msg">
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