[asterisk-dev] Mailing List Future

[Joshua C. Colp]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 10:31 AM Olle E. Johansson <oej at edvina.net> wrote:

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> On 4 Dec 2023, at 13:38, Joshua C. Colp <jcolp at sangoma.com> wrote:
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> The mailing lists have remained unchanged since deployed.
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> …and the archives for everything is still around.
>

As mentioned in my original email, the list archives will remain available.
They will be in the same format they are now, same location, same look.


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> Mail is boring but very very long-term stable.
>
> Forums are cool, sexy and keeps changing so we loose history because the
> cost of mirgrating old postings and comments is way too high and the
> marketing department that runs the forums seldom understand the need to
> keep it persistent…
>
> I would encourage keeping a development mailing list.
>
> /O
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>
> For self hosting they would need to be completely redone on fresh
> infrastructure, fresh distro, fresh software, and hopefully things would
> possibly import. They'd also need to be updated to conform to current
> standards on sending so that that they don't appear as spam as often. (For
> me 25% of emails from the lists go to my spam currently and require manual
> involvement)
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> For hosted we'd need support for over 2500+ subscribers for the -dev list
> if it were to be imported. For commercial entities we could possibly
> import, but for something like someone doing that work and effort and
> hosting I would not be comfortable providing such information, and people
> would need to sign up fresh again. It would also not be something I would
> be willing to spend money on due to the low use of the lists.
>
> Past that - can you explain why it's a bad idea? I've looked at the
> interactions for the past few years and while some have existed, they've
> been minimal over all.
>
> On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 8:28 AM Jaco Kroon <jaco at uls.co.za> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> My 5c.  Killing the dev list is a bad idea.
>>
>> Most developers could not care about having to poll forums.  It also
>> means that stuff that would previously get an audience will now get none.
>>
>> github discussions are better than forums at least.
>>
>> May I inquire as to the problem you're having with the ML?  Perhaps I
>> might be able to assist ...
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Jaco
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>> On 2023/12/04 14:00, Joshua C. Colp wrote:
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>> Greetings all,
>>
>> Over the past few years, the use of the Asterisk mailing lists has
>> diminished, with far more conversation happening on the Asterisk community
>> forums[1]. The state of email, to ensure reliable delivery, has also gotten
>> more complicated - emails get caught by spam filters, etc.. To continue the
>> mailing lists would require a huge time and resource investment, for
>> minimal use.
>>
>> To that end, we’ve decided to discontinue the mailing lists effective
>> February 1st, 2024.
>>
>> This means the following:
>>
>> 1. Sending and receiving mailing list emails will no longer be possible.
>> 2. The list archives, however, will remain available.
>>
>> We need to decide the future of the asterisk-dev mailing list;
>> specifically, where to hold discussions in the future. There are a few
>> options:
>>
>> 1. A “Development” category exists on https://community.asterisk.org/
>> already that can be used.
>> 2. We can use GitHub discussions, which keeps things with the GitHub
>> project.
>> 3. We can use a hosted mailing list elsewhere.
>>
>> We suggest option #2, since it keeps things with the GitHub project,
>> which is where everything development-related happens now regardless. This
>> has been set up and enabled already.
>>
>> If you have any input, now is the time to state it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Joshua C. Colp
>> Asterisk Project Lead
>> Sangoma Technologies
>> Check us out at www.sangoma.com and www.asterisk.org
>>
>>
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> Joshua C. Colp
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> Sangoma Technologies
> Check us out at www.sangoma.com and www.asterisk.org
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Joshua C. Colp
Asterisk Project Lead
Sangoma Technologies
Check us out at www.sangoma.com and www.asterisk.org
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