[Asterisk-Dev] Henning G. Schulzrinne quote on IAX2 from von magazine (off-topic)

[John Todd]

At 11:52 PM +0200 on 8/13/05, Andreas Sikkema wrote:
>On Sat, 2005-08-13 at 11:45 -0700, John Todd wrote:
>>  I hereby kill this thread and take it to the -users list.  This has
>>  no developer content, and this thread should stop here.  Read my
>>  reply on the asterisk-users list.
>
>This <expletive removed> list must be most developer unfriendly list in
>the whole OS/FS world. It seems that the only discussion allowed here by
>some self appointed netcops is about where to find bugs in mantis or the
>coding style or something equally useless.
>
>I'm not even subscribed to the user list at home...
>
>--
>Andreas Sikkema

I'm sorry that you feel that way, and I will accept fault for my 
wording but not for my intent.

If you interpreted my comments as being snippy: I apologize.  I often 
don't have time to make every email well-worded and comforting, and 
my economy of minutes sometimes gets the best of me.  My goal was to 
expose more people to the answer to your question and keep the -dev 
list concise.

The reason that the -dev list is so defensively replied to is because 
(in my belief) there is a desire to keep on-topic.  The -users list 
is (as you have perhaps discovered) much broader in it's subject 
discussion.  Keeping the -dev list a bit more on-topic is I think a 
desirable thing.  When message threads start to get off the issue of 
Asterisk development and into discussion of more general topics 
(i.e.: what is good and bad about the term "soft switch", or how IAX2 
works in its basic functions) then there are two reasons such a 
thread should move from the -dev list and to -users:

   1) Because its discussion on the -users list will have more 
"viewers", and thus hopefully a wider audience can benefit from the 
discussion.

   2) Because the -dev list is sometimes dangerously close to losing 
its signal-to-noise ratio.  I would disagree that coding style, bugs, 
and other things are "equally useless."  It seems that those items 
are fairly important (but not the only) reasons that -dev exists.  If 
the -users list is unpalatable to you or anyone else for volume or 
noise reasons, then we (as a community) should solve the problem by 
splitting up that list into other sub-lists or by some other measure, 
not by allowing  non-development content to infiltrate the -dev list.

I certainly have no ability to influence the list, so feel free to 
continue to post on the topic, and the same goes to Steve Underwood. 
I think Steve's comments on the TX/RX IAX2 thread implementation 
issues that were introduced by Brian West are worthwhile -dev topics, 
but the sub-thread on IAX2 transfer/tromboning questions was to me 
clearly a -users topic.  (This describes another issue that the list 
has problems with, which is [[Subject:],[Thread]]:Content mismatch or 
divergence, but that is a topic for another day and is certainly not 
unique to this list.)

I'll still note that there have been no replies (other than mine to 
the -users list, which you may not have read) which answer your 
question about "How would IAX2 solve trombones?".  I answered your 
question, and in the manner of my answering it: tried to transmit to 
a larger number of people the answer so that it would become more 
general knowledge, and tried to remove a generalized question which 
could fall into the category of "How does Asterisk or IAX2 work?" 
onto the asterisk-users list which is constructed for that exact 
purpose.  None of these things (other than my lack of wording tact) 
appear to be negatives, but every person has their own opinion at 
first impressions.

This will be my last comment on this topic, as I am breaking my own 
rules by publicly following up to flame-bait, which is clearly not 
-dev topic content.  If I've offended you, I apologize, and I hope to 
continue to see your contributions to the Asterisk development 
process.

JT